GOP attempts to come up with an actual Obamacare replacement includes Cadillac tax

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Vern said:

so, you demand I answer your questions (again) and you don't think you have to answer one. mmmm, that's exactly what conservatives do. so you wont answer if you think the last 50 or so votes were a waste of time? hey did you ever figure your "small employer not having a lot employees" CONundrum?

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Aw, poor vern. Have you forgotten that the issue wasn't just a waste of time but a waste of money? You dropped that last part either because you cant hold too many things in your mind at the same time or you realized how stupid the statement was. anyhoo, I am in no conundrum. As I pointed out from Treasury data, 96% of American businesses employ 50 or fewer. Sorry, but that refutes your original claim, but I wasn't really expecting honesty. Honesty is like kryptonite to liberals. There, now you can have the last word. I am going to leave this thread to you and your imaginary foes.

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Fletch said:

Aw, poor vern. Have you forgotten that the issue wasn't just a waste of time but a waste of money? You dropped that last part either because you cant hold too many things in your mind at the same time or you realized how stupid the statement was.

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time and money, yes I remember. I just figured we agreed on the "waste of time" part. but isn't a waste of time also a waste of money? So if we agree the last 50 or so votes were a waste of time then we agree it was a waste of time and money. Now that we have that straightened out, can we discuss that republicans have a "Cadillac tax" in their Obamacare replacement or you responding to an imaginary post or you posting things you made up.

Fletch said:

As I pointed out from Treasury data, 96% of American businesses employ 50 or fewer. Sorry, but that refutes your original claim, but I wasn't really expecting honesty. Honesty is like kryptonite to liberals. There, now you can have the last word. I am going to leave this thread to you and your imaginary foes.

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Please don't cut and run just yet. Can I at least ask you to clarify what I said that you think your "treasury data" refutes and how it refutes it? that's not too much to ask is it?

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Fletch said:

Actually, most people are employed in firms with under 100 employees and the effects on those companies are likely to be significant. That is obvious. Otherwise, why the delay in bringing them in?


Its not a silly question. Its just one you cant answer, so you change the subject. Let me ask you again: What time and money have been wasted with these votes?

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The delay in implementing the employee mandate was requested by the corporations, they claimed it would take them some time to adjust. It was also corporations that started the practice of paying for employee healthcare and it is the major reason we don't have a single payer system now. Now companies are "rethinking" their participation in that long time tradition and the ACA is dealing with that disturbing trend. There should not be a problem continuing what they started.

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Vern said:

Since repeal is no longer an option for Obamacare, republicans have changed to their 'bumper sticker' slogan from "repeal" to "repeal and replace". No longer being able to rely on "magic" plans to replace Obamacare, they have to be a little more specific.

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The GOP plan would tax the value of employer-provided health coverage exceeding $12,000 for individuals and $30,000 for families, amounts that would grow as inflation rises.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gop-l...alth-law-tax-credits-082516083--politics.html

I guess we should applaud (some) republicans transitioning from non-stop whining and lying to actually attempting to govern. Now, I should point out, this transition will be greatly aided if dems and the media don’t point out the inevitable similarities between Obamacare and whatever republicans propose. Sadly, I don’t think it really matters. Even with an gullible base and obedient media, I think they’ll crumble under the pressure of leadership. Let’s face it, the people who whine the most about not getting their way and lie to get it don’t really seem like the best choice to lead.

I doubt an actual Obamacare replacement bill gets drafted let alone voted on

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I do not understand the objection of American socialists to the democratic process.

What are you afraid of?

For the record, Obamacare is the worst health care system in the known universe, compared to what I have you guys are paupers paying Cadillac prices for a used KIA.

If a majority of Americans want to keep it, then fine..let them. But I suggest that after the way the Democrats rammed it down the nation's throat unread, stifled debate, permanently shelved over 50 Republican initiatives, lied repeatedly and extensively about its contents, was written in "tortured language" to fool "Stupid Voters"....the situation demands a debate at least, if not an opportunity to clean up what we now find out will still leave more people than the population of Canada without coverage in 2020.

At the very least it is imperfect, and that alone requires, in a so called democracy, that the people through their representatives, Democrat, Independent AND Republican, an open debate to find the truth, as clearly people could not "keep their plan."

Only those with something to hide objects to open debate....if Obamacare was any good, you all would be saying "bring it on"......

Instead every Republican utterance, from Sarah Palin to Ted Cruz to Herman Cain has to be attacked....what's all that insecurity about?

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Fearandloathing said:

I do not understand the objection of American socialists to the democratic process.

What are you afraid of?

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er uh FL, do you even read what you post before you post it. Not only is there nothing in my posts objecting to the "democratic process" I just have to wonder how you say that after obediently ranting at Obamacare which was a result of that same "democratic process". And like all conservatives you just cant get the simple facts right. The American healthcare system is the worst as you say "paying Cadillac prices for a used KIA." How your brain attributes this to President Obama is laughable. Obamacare is actually doing something about "paying Cadillac prices for a used KIA" by increasing the quality of care and slowing cost growth. And you post this in spite of the fact that the republican plan was "status quo".

and now you whine about poor little republicans being criticized for their statements. you should google the word hypocrite sometime.

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Fletch said:

How about you point to exactly where in your link that data comes from. According to treasury data, 96% of employers have 50 or less.

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Under "Statistics on U.S. Business" the first link: "U.S. data including multiple tables (Microsoft Excel file)."

Anyway, it's different to say most employers are small firms than to say most employees work for small firms. Yes, most firms are small (and thus are exempt from the employer mandate). But most employees work for very large firms because that's where the majority of the jobs are, even if very large firms are a small minority of firms in the U.S.

The point is that it's 2015 now. The employer mandate is, for the vast majority of both firms and employees, no longer pending. Large firms, which account for most employees, already went through their first open enrollment under the employer mandate. Smaller (<50 employees) firms aren't subject to it now or ever. Whatever disruption you were anticipating didn't materialize.

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Greenbeard said:

Anyway, it's different to say most employers are small firms than to say most employees work for small firms. Yes, most firms are small (and thus are exempt from the employer mandate). But most employees work for very large firms because that's where the majority of the jobs are, even if very large firms are a small minority of firms in the U.S.

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Too confusing. Please use smaller words

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Greenbeard said:

They'll never send a replacement bill to Obama. Even the proposal in the OP doesn't have support in their caucus, nothing does. They simply don't have--nor have they ever had--a replacement to the ACA.

What happens to someone with a medical condition who has their coverage "repealed" by the GOP? They'll get back to you on that one (someday)!

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If you like your insurance you can keep it. I guess you can't.
how many million people lost their insurance?

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The party screaming "Death Panels" is upset because a politician said something that isn't true. :roll:

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Vern said:

I doubt an actual Obamacare replacement bill gets drafted let alone voted on

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6 month update. Nothing so far.

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Vern said:

6 month update. Nothing so far.

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I hope they finish it before Obamacare destroys the nation, which according to them is "next year"

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sangha said:

I hope they finish it before Obamacare destroys the nation, which according to them is "next year"

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they better do it before he cancels the elections and declares martial law. After that we'll be stuck with Obamacare.

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Vern said:

they better do it before he cancels the elections and declares martial law. After that we'll be stuck with Obamacare.

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And we'll be stuck with the millions of illegal immigrants Obama wants so they can vote for him in the elections he cancels.

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Vern said:

6 month update. Nothing so far.

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They have no replacement.

Republicans don't waste their time governing. Why bother? All they have to do is whine about democrats to get re-elected.

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sangha said:

And we'll be stuck with the millions of illegal immigrants Obama wants so they can vote for him in the elections he cancels.

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Somebody needs to do something about the Radical Christian, Radical Muslim, Extreme Atheist occupying the White House now. We need to do it before the Death Panels kill us all.

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Vern said:

I doubt an actual Obamacare replacement bill gets drafted let alone voted on

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14 month update and still no bill. (my apologies, I meant to update this at 6month intervals).