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White woman Amy Cooper fired after calling police on black man who told her to leash dog in New York

Simon W. Moon said:
On a a national stage, she came off as
  • a dangerous liar,
  • a racist, and
  • a puppy-choker.

That's a serious PR liability.

The firm really had no other reasonable choice.
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As I said didn’t see the video. Anyone have a link? A puppy choker?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
The guy tried to give the dog a dog treat... Thats not assaulting the dog or threatening its life. Unless theres some part of the video I didnt watch...
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Lol, you guys are absolutely ridiculous.

If we got into an argument and I specifically told you "I'm going to do what I want, and you aren't going to like it" and then tried to lure your dog over to me with a dog treat.....you would feel completely comfortable with your dog coming to me and not threatened in any way?
 
Nap said:
Lol, you guys are absolutely ridiculous.

If we got into an argument and I specifically told you "I'm going to do what I want, and you aren't going to like it" and then tried to lure your dog over to me with a dog treat.....you would feel completely comfortable with your dog coming to me and not threatened in any way?
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Well if I refused to leash my dog in a dog leash area and the guy had a bag of treats Id assume he was just trying to be an asshole and pet my dog and steals its affection from me. And if he assaulted me or the dog Id just beat him up. Pretty sure its not illegal to give an unleashed dog a treat and pet it just to make someone mad who is disobeying leash laws.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Well if I refused to leash my dog in a dog leash area and the guy had a bag of treats Id assume he was just trying to be an asshole and pet my dog and steals its affection from me. And if he assaulted me or the dog Id just beat him up. Pretty sure its not illegal to give an unleashed dog a treat and pet it just to make someone mad who is disobeying leash laws.
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Why would you assume some stranger whom you just got into an argument with simply wants to give your dog a treat and pet them? Any rational person in that scenario would assume he intends to harm the dog.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
That would be interesting if he baiter her by acting pycho off cam and pretending like hes gonna give her poisoned treats. But you cant really prove that.

I think he was just saying "Well if youre not gonna obey the rules then im gonna make your dog like me, seeing as its off a leash." And he then tried to give a treat. And of course the woman wouldnt like that.
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You're right, but reading the way he said it makes it sound like he was baiting her, and he's the one who made that transcript I posted. From where he says, "I'm gonna do what I want but you're not going to like it" would make me worried about my dog if I were her, but you're right, none of that can be proven.
 
Nickyjo said:
I couldn’t find the video, but this is sad. The insult apparently done to the black person is possibly one of several he’s experienced, something white people may have trouble imagining. But the woman apparently apologized for being such a jerk. Why couldn’t her employer just assign her to some consciousness-raising session w/o pay rather than fire her? When things like this happen, the idea should be to make a better citizen out of the offender, to have her confront her own prejudices. This may make her unemployable and bitter.
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"something white people may have trouble imagining"....

Aren't you the same poster who I linked the other day with the FBI crime statistics on interracial crime? You've forgotten that already, I assume.

There's now an ongoing problem with blacks punching elderly white people around the country, and here we are yet again, attempting to make a very minor verbal argument into a national topic. So my question to you; what do you get out of feeling white guilt? I've never felt it myself, but it must be some kind of comforting feeling for white liberals. My brain just isn't wired to find guilt comforting. Is it similar to sadomasochism?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
That would be interesting if he baiter her by acting pycho off cam and pretending like hes gonna give her poisoned treats. But you cant really prove that.

I think he was just saying "Well if youre not gonna obey the rules then im gonna make your dog like me, seeing as its off a leash." And he then tried to give a treat. And of course the woman wouldnt like that.
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Why is it on her to prove innocence?
 
truthatallcost said:
"something white people may have trouble imagining"....

Aren't you the same poster who I linked the other day with the FBI crime statistics on interracial crime? You've forgotten that already, I assume.

There's now an ongoing problem with blacks punching elderly white people around the country, and here we are yet again, attempting to make a very minor verbal argument into a national topic. So my question to you; what do you get out of feeling white guilt? I've never felt it myself, but it must be some kind of comforting feeling for white liberals. My brain just isn't wired to find guilt comforting. Is it similar to sadomasochism?
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Do you have a source about “blacks punching elderly white people around the country.” If this is true, what policies do you recommend? And of course, what does this have to do with the incident in question?
 
Would love to see where the leap came from “he is going to give the dog a treat” to “he is going to poison the dog.”

Clearly when he said he was going to do something she didn’t like, it meant he was going to call the police, but yeah. Let’s make the big bad black birdwatching man out to be someone who is going to poison a dog and hurt a woman in the middle of Central Park. In the middle of the day. Oh, while he recorded it.

Some people will turn anyone into a boogeyman if it fits their narrative.
 
Nickyjo said:
As I said didn’t see the video. Anyone have a link? A puppy choker?
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Yes puppy choker. She had the poor dog by it's collar front feet off the ground literally pulling it along as she's ranting. Poor thing was struggling and trying to break free and couldn't.
 
Nap said:
Why is this even a news story? The lady should have put her dog on the leash, but the man did threaten the dog so it isn't unreasonable for her to be scared.
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What are you talking about? There seems to be more confusion with the actual issue?
There was one at fault here. The screwy woman!
 
Superfly said:
Some people will turn anyone into a boogeyman if it fits their narrative.
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I can't even . . . the irony here is off the charts.
 
azgreg said:
Other than trying to feed the dog what is Christian Cooper at fault for?
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How did she know his intentions were to simply give the dog a treat? He specifically stated "I'm going to do what I want and you aren't going to like it" and then tried to lure the dog over to him. I don't see how anyone couldn't see that as a threat especially coming from a stranger you had just got into an argument with. The lady should have put the dog on his leash when he told her about it but he also crossed the line by escalating the situation by threatening her.
 
Nap said:
How did she know his intentions were to simply give the dog a treat? He specifically stated "I'm going to do what I want and you aren't going to like it" and then tried to lure the dog over to him. I don't see how anyone couldn't see that as a threat especially coming from a stranger you had just got into an argument with. The lady should have put the dog on his leash when he told her about it but he also crossed the line by escalating the situation by threatening her.
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From what I've read his intention was to toss the treat to the dog and he didn't get the chance to do that.

Christian Cooper: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence. I didn’t even get a chance to toss any treats to the pooch before Karen scrambled to grab the dog.
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That's not a threat to anyone with a sane mind.
 
azgreg said:
From what I've read his intention was to toss the treat to the dog and he didn't get the chance to do that.

Christian Cooper: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com



That's not a threat to anyone with a sane mind.
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How is she supposed to know his intention? From her perspective some stranger just told her to put the dog on a leash or he is going to do something she wouldn't like and then called to her dog to lure him over.
 
Nap said:
How is she supposed to know his intention? From her perspective some stranger just told her to put the dog on a leash or he is going to do something she wouldn't like and then called to her dog to lure him over.
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You're missing the most important part of it. A peasant spoke disrespectfully to a nobleman. Whatever happened before or what the nobleman might have done doesn't matter. As a great author once said:

Fine. What are the official duties and privileges of our new nobility? Obviously, we can’t really call it a noble order unless it has duties and privileges.

Well, privileges, anyway. Who needs duties? What’s the point of being a noble, if you’re going to have all these duties? Screw it, it’s the 21st century. We’ve transcended duties. On to the privileges.

The basic quality of a noble is that he or she is presumed to be better than commoners. Of course, both nobles and commoners are people. And people do vary. Individual circumstances must always be considered. However, the official presumption is that, in any conflict between a noble and a commoner, the noble is right and the commoner is wrong. Therefore, by default, the noble should win. This infallible logic is the root of our system of noble privilege.
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Chapter 3: AGW, KFM, and HNU | A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations | Unqualified Reservations by Mencius Moldbug

This was written 11 years ago, and has only become more prescient as time has gone on.
 
As a person who grew up with several dogs over his lifetime...having treats in your pocket when you go to a place with your dog where there are other dogs, or you know you are in place where there may be dogs is not an uncommon trick. The reason is that if you encounter a dog off the leash and you are unsure about it, offering a treat gives the dog pause and makes it think and decide if you are a threat or not. Most dogs will be wary, but shy away when you do this. Otherwise, the dog may take the treat from you and then run away to eat it, giving you time to calmly leave the area.

He appeared not to be making overtly threatening gestures and the tone of his voice was calm. Dogs respond to activity and volume of noise. The more chaotic a human acts, the more distressed the dog becomes. If the dog is with its owner, it will guard its owner against the threat, real or perceived by the dog. The dog in question was unleashed, and did not appear to be guarding the woman or acting to attack the man. What he thought he would do was to break a rule and offer the dog a treat, making the you won't like what I'm going to do comment. The rule I am referring to is that you NEVER offer a treat when the owner is present without asking permission first.

SIDE NOTE. If she thought she was going to be raped, she didn't need to be worried: he's gay. Christopher Cooper is locally well-known as being on the board of the National Auduban Society for NYC so his activities in the Brambles was...normal.Not only that, but he used to write and edit for Marvel comics!

There was abuse the woman was inflicting on the dog. She was holding the collar in such a way that it was choking the dog. You can see the animal is actually trying to communicate to her that it was in distress and she ignored it as she was busy trying to call in 911. It jumped on her and she forced it to the ground and it yelped. She should not have had the dog unleashed, not only because the rules of that area of the park forbid it, but anytime you have a rescue dog, you need to keep it on a leash because you do NOT know how the dog will react to stimuli from its previous experience, which could traumatic. Dogs become leash trained very quickly. A quick tug can get it to stand down or to sit. It recognizes your control. You NEVER let a rescue dog off its leash in a public space. Ever!

So, what can we take away from this?

Amy Cooper took her dog off her leash in an area of the Brambles where it is posted that dogs MUST be leashed.

Christopher Cooper, a board member of the NYC Audubon Society and a gay man, was bird watching like he always does and came across Amy Cooper and her unleashed dog.

We have a video that shows Amy Cooper choking her unleashed dog, dragging it with her as she approached Christopher Cooper, waving her leash at him, before backing off when he asked her to and then calling the police where she slams the dog down, causing it to yelp in pain.

My guess is that what happened was pretty simple and obvious to me...especially with so many white Karens gracing social media lately with their entitlement.

Amy Cooper was walking her dog. She thought she was by herself and let her rescue dog off the leash in full knowledge that the park says not to. AND that you should never let a rescue dog off the leash in public anyway. In comes Christopher Cooper, who was bird watching. As a board member of the NYC Audubon Society, he most likely knows the rules and regs of the park like the back of his hand. He tells her to leash the dog. She refuses. He insists. She refuses. The argument escalates.

He decides to offer treats to the dog, knowing he shouldn't, but since she isn't following the rules, then he is going to teach her a lesson and makes the mistake of escalating this further (hence the you aren't going to like what I am about to do comment) and this was his mistake. She gets mad and grabs the collar and drags/chokes the rescue dog towards him. He starts the video. She still approaches him until he tells her to back off.

Realizing that she is in the wrong and has been caught and isn't getting her way, she does the only thing she can think of: play the victim, make it about race and call the police to avoid having to admit she was wrong and/or possibly pay a fine in the hopes that he will back off and let her have her way and then she can quickly say nevermind, he's leaving and quickly hang up.

That's my take. The guy could have done a couple of things better, but in the end, this was about an entitled Karen getting caught and not getting her way and using race to try to "win".
 
Nap said:
How is she supposed to know his intention? From her perspective some stranger just told her to put the dog on a leash or he is going to do something she wouldn't like and then called to her dog to lure him over.
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Well, I guess that's the world we're in right now huh? A world where a black man asks a white woman to obey the law justifies the white woman to assume the black man is going to kill her. Outstanding.
 
Nap said:
How is she supposed to know his intention? From her perspective some stranger just told her to put the dog on a leash or he is going to do something she wouldn't like and then called to her dog to lure him over.
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The why did she approach him and not back off he until he asked her to?
 
azgreg said:
Well, I guess that's the world we're in right now huh? A world where a black man asks a white woman to obey the law justifies the white woman to assume the black man is going to kill her. Outstanding.
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She definitely made it about race when she called the police....and in doing so, she put the black man's life in jeopardy. That could be construed as attempted murder.
 
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