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Trump Off NJ Ballot in 2020

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Boom. Good move Jersey. Hope other states follow suit. (no pun intended?)

TRENTON, N.J. — President Donald Trump could miss out on being on the 2020 ballot in New Jersey if he doesn’t disclose his tax returns under a bill now advancing.

The Democratic-led state Senate passed legislation Thursday inspired by the Republican president’s failure to disclose his tax returns.

The measure requires presidential and vice presidential candidates to release five years of federal tax returns to appear on the state’s ballot.
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New Jersey Senate passes bill to keep President Trump off 2020 ballot unless he releases tax returns
 
NeverTrump said:
It passed the senate. Accountability. Works both ways. This is the beginning of your rude awakening. Enjoy the ride.
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:lamo
No.
It will not stand challenge even if it is finally passed.
 
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NeverTrump said:
Boom. Good move Jersey. Hope other states follow suit. (no pun intended?)



New Jersey Senate passes bill to keep President Trump off 2020 ballot unless he releases tax returns
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I never understood the fascination with tax returns of the candidates. Then again when I became interested in politics, no candidates disclosed their tax returns. That was back in 1956, I think Ford was the first one to do so, his was but a summary. I think the opposing party and opposing candidate are interested in tax returns for a gotcha moment.

According to the law, tax returns are supposed to be private. Why the desire to make them public, is that desire actually going against the law? Those who want Trump's tax returns, would they vote for him if he releases them. You know they wouldn't. They just want a chance at a gotcha, more or less a political vendetta, call it free opposition research.

Show me one voter who would vote for Trump if he released his tax returns that didn't vote for him only because he failed to release his tax returns, then I might reconsider. As for New Jersey, Trump doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades of ever winning there. He might as well avoid all campaigning, all operations there and spend that time, energy and money elsewhere in swing states. Perhaps New Jersey is doing him a favor. New York, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, etc might as well follow suit. No chance for him in any of those states. He ought to just cede them now and concentrate on the states he can win.
 
It would be a benefit to know in whose interests the President is working for........the appearance of impropriety is impropriety.
 
Wonder if that includes foreign tax returns.

Be nice to know if a candidate pays more taxes to foreign governments than our own.
 
trouble13 said:
That sounds illegal

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States have the right to certify their candidates. We know you hate the constitution but states rights.
 
Rexedgar said:
It would be a benefit to know in whose interests the President is working for........the appearance of impropriety is impropriety.
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I think voters should definitely take that into consideration when they cast their ballot. I don't intend to vote for a candidate who won't release, but I don't think a state legislature needs to play a role here.
 
NeverTrump said:
It passed the senate. Accountability. Works both ways. This is the beginning of your rude awakening. Enjoy the ride.
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It won't pass the SC.
There is no constitutional mandate that a presidential candidate show their tax returns in a FEDERAL election.
Trump's name will be on Jersey's ballot 2020.
 
Perotista said:
I never understood the fascination with tax returns of the candidates. Then again when I became interested in politics, no candidates disclosed their tax returns. That was back in 1956, I think Ford was the first one to do so, his was but a summary. I think the opposing party and opposing candidate are interested in tax returns for a gotcha moment.
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I think it's more than that. IMO, we're owed as voters a great deal of transparency about a candidates' real or potential financial conflicts of interest, and nothing is as transparent as a tax return, where you have to put down numbers on every dollar you make.

According to the law, tax returns are supposed to be private. Why the desire to make them public, is that desire actually going against the law? Those who want Trump's tax returns, would they vote for him if he releases them. You know they wouldn't. They just want a chance at a gotcha, more or less a political vendetta, call it free opposition research.

Show me one voter who would vote for Trump if he released his tax returns that didn't vote for him only because he failed to release his tax returns, then I might reconsider.
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You're arguing that transparency doesn't matter, so why have it, why not allow candidates to hide their sources and amount of income so we as voters have no idea who paid them how much. I don't agree, at all.

If you want an example - Hillary is a good one. When she went on the $10 million speaking tour for Wall Street, my views about her changed forever, for the worse, mostly because it demonstrated a just amazing amount of arrogance. Everyone on the planet paying attention knew she was running for POTUS in 2016, she didn't need that money, and still she sold herself out to Wall Street people who she was alternatively promising to crack down on. Her decision to take more than $10 million in "speaking fees" gave us a nearly foolproof way to determine that was bull****. It was the moral equivalent of a shake down - pay me or else - and they paid, of course, because why not?

As for New Jersey, Trump doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades of ever winning there. He might as well avoid all campaigning, all operations there and spend that time, energy and money elsewhere in swing states. Perhaps New Jersey is doing him a favor. New York, California, Vermont, Massachusetts, etc might as well follow suit. No chance for him in any of those states. He ought to just cede them now and concentrate on the states he can win.
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Except as you know the Republicans in down ballot races will suffer without Trump at the top to bring out GOP voters.
 
btthegreat said:
I think voters should definitely take that into consideration when they cast their ballot. I don't intend to vote for a candidate who won't release, but I don't think a state legislature needs to play a role here.
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Can't wait on people to do the right thing, though. That's why new laws have to be passed - because there's always somebody who does something that forces the lawmakers to implement new rules.
 
trixare4kids said:
It won't pass the SC.
There is no constitutional mandate that a presidential candidate show their tax returns in a FEDERAL election.
Trump's name will be on Jersey's ballot 2020.
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There should be.
 
trixare4kids said:
It won't pass the SC.
There is no constitutional mandate that a presidential candidate show their tax returns in a FEDERAL election.
Trump's name will be on Jersey's ballot 2020.
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Wait I thought Republicans were FOR states rights...

I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the Constitution that says they can't make their own rules for how to get on the ballot.
 
NeverTrump said:
It passed the senate. Accountability. Works both ways. This is the beginning of your rude awakening. Enjoy the ride.
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The New Jersey Senate. Big whoop. Mobsters and Democrats. Oops I'm being redundant.
 
trixare4kids said:
It won't pass the SC.
There is no constitutional mandate that a presidential candidate show their tax returns in a FEDERAL election.
Trump's name will be on Jersey's ballot 2020.
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Please show where states don't have the right to set the rules for being on the ballot in their state. Seems Trix really are for kids :lamo
 
trixare4kids said:
It won't pass the SC.
There is no constitutional mandate that a presidential candidate show their tax returns in a FEDERAL election.
Trump's name will be on Jersey's ballot 2020.
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Up to the State how they conduct the Presidetial election, innit? That's all wrapped up with the Electoral College thing- in the US the people elect the Congress and the States elect the President. That's what I'm told- did you hear different?
Up to each State how they poll their people and assign their College votes. The Constitution stops there.
 
trixare4kids said:
It won't pass the SC.
There is no constitutional mandate that a presidential candidate show their tax returns in a FEDERAL election.
Trump's name will be on Jersey's ballot 2020.
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Trix the TDS sufferers on this forum are losing it. Have you listened to Adam **** lately? Or Maxine Waters? or Nadler? They have gone off on the deep end.,

People in Congress left know Mueller's report is going to be a disappointment when it comes to the smoking gun they were hoping for. That is why these people are ratcheting up go fish investigations looking for something to nail Trump with.

Every which way but loose they are seeking something to nail Trump to the wall. Yet in the meantime Zogby released a poll this week showing Trump gaining support among minorities.
While also gaining support among women over the securing the border. Bad news for the Dems.

What the heck are these people going to do when they have to face the coming reckoning of the abuse of power under the Obama administration and beyond of the DOJ/FBI and other intel agencies. The abuse of the FISA court, the abuse of leaking to the press, the abuse of un-masking individuals that were associated with Trump and his family.

When it is all said and done it will be recorded in history as the worst abuse of power ever in the history of this country.

yes Trump will be a presidentital candidate in Jersey in 2020. Good golly these people need help.
 
Bullseye said:
The New Jersey Senate. Big whoop. Mobsters and Democrats. Oops I'm being redundant.
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Which state will be next? How many 'gimmee's' can Trump afford to give the Democrats? Considering how he barely, by the skin of his teeth, won the last one.
 
GDViking said:
Wait I thought Republicans were FOR states rights...

I'm pretty sure there is nothing in the Constitution that says they can't make their own rules for how to get on the ballot.
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States rights vis-a-vis Presidential elections are of paramount importance, paramout I say! when a Republican wins the electoral college but comes in second in the popular vote.
 
Grand Mal said:
States rights vis-a-vis Presidential elections are of paramount importance, paramout I say! when a Republican wins the electoral college but comes in second in the popular vote.
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Yes states are beginning to take measures to be sure a candidate never illegally manipulate an election again...
 
Praxas said:
States have the right to certify their candidates. We know you hate the constitution but states rights.
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States right dont supercede citizens rights

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