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NJ Is Not Inspiring Me To Vote

NeverTrumpGOP said:
I don't generally vote in the midterms here in NJ. The result is almost always is Democrat. Except at various county levels I've lived in. So I'm most likely going to abstain from voting knowing that Mendenez will likely win anyway.
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Which is exactly how Trump got elected in the first place.

Conservatives are notoriously tribalistic. More liberal people don't like to be pigeonholed. While that may make liberals smarter, it makes conservatives more dangerous. A less than perfect Republican candidate will not see much if any defection from the party voters. Even a child sexual predator almost won a Republican Senate seat in Alabama. Liberals on the other hand defect way too easily at even the slightest imperfection. If you want to defeat tribalistic hate we can't afford to do that.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Voting the incumbent out is the best 'lesser of two evils' choice, IMHO. The longer a congress critter has been in office then the more power they get to screw things up.
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Beto O'Rourke thanks you for your vote!
 
MrWonka said:
Since when is a question an attack? If you are capable of understanding that Trump is dangerous then you should know that the only way to keep him in check is to give Democrats control of Congress. According to the OP the GOP candidate is similarly plagued with the scandal so he doesn't like either candidate.

I'm simply trying to highly the silliness of people who bitch and moan about the lesser of two evils when it comes to voting, meanwhile, every single solitary day that makes countless choices that are also the lesser of two evils. They're just so used to making those choices that they don't really think about them anymore. Literally, every decision you make in your life requires you to weigh the pros and the cons. If there are no pros then you chose the one with the fewest cons. This isn't a new or rare concept. Why is it so hard to do when you're voting when you do it virtually every minute of every day.
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So you are saying that anyone who does not support open borders and all the rest of Democratic Party stances should have voted for Roy Moore? That is your logic, isn't it?
 
I would like to see ONE or the OTHER party IN CONTROL. The alternative is unelected officials and the super rich run everything - while we the people are diverted to knee-jerk-rantings of the day - having NOTHING to do with the operation of government.

For example, the bomber and shooter have NOTHING to do with government function. It is just all fake outrage back and forth between bickering politicians trying to jerk all us peasants around - since that's all they can do anyway.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm Impressed by a number of candidates like Beto, Gillum, Murkowski and Stacey Abrams in the midterms. But I just can't force myself to vote for Bob Menendez. Even NJ.com says that the race is the most depressing in the country. We have no one exciting and both are scandal plagued. You all know about Menendez's various scandals. But Hugin has lots too. He basically profited off of cancer patients. There is no lesser of two evils here. I'm not a Democrat and not so anti-Trump that I would vote for another politician plagued with scandals just to troll Trump. I want my vote to mean something a little more than that. Menendez seems no better than Trump. Likewise Hugin.
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California is sort of the same way. I voted for Cox b/c I do not want Newsom as governor. He's just gonna **** up this state more.
 
joko104 said:
Interesting seeing Democrats on the forum attacking NeverTrumpGOP for not being willing to blindly vote straight Democratic Party ticket regardless of the candidates.
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I'm very critical of a lot of what I've seen MrWonka post, but I did not interpret his post as an attack. I hope you do not interpret my own post as an attack. I simply kept his(?) dislike of the president in mind when discussing how I would vote in this election.

I'm still not certain as to where this user actually lies on the political spectrum, but that's probably a product of not having known him long enough.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
I'm very critical of a lot of what I've seen MrWonka post, but I did not interpret his post as an attack. I hope you do not interpret my own post as an attack. I simply kept his(?) dislike of the president in mind when discussing how I would vote in this election.

I'm still not certain as to where this user actually lies on the political spectrum, but that's probably a product of not having known him long enough.
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Difference is the only way my vote is successful is if Hugin wins. I don't want Hugin to win. So in that sense I am still against the President.
 
Bob Hugin just went against Trump, so that's interesting or two faced hard to tell...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Voting the incumbent out is the best 'lesser of two evils' choice, IMHO. The longer a congress critter has been in office then the more power they get to screw things up.
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The time to vote out incumbents is in the primary election, not the general election.
 
joko104 said:
The time to vote out incumbents is in the primary election, not the general election.
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Many run unopposed or face extremely weak competition in the primaries. Another problem is that in many (most?) states you can only vote for (or against) one party's primary election candidates.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm Impressed by a number of candidates like Beto, Gillum, Murkowski and Stacey Abrams in the midterms. But I just can't force myself to vote for Bob Menendez. Even NJ.com says that the race is the most depressing in the country. We have no one exciting and both are scandal plagued. You all know about Menendez's various scandals. But Hugin has lots too. He basically profited off of cancer patients. There is no lesser of two evils here. I'm not a Democrat and not so anti-Trump that I would vote for another politician plagued with scandals just to troll Trump. I want my vote to mean something a little more than that. Menendez seems no better than Trump. Likewise Hugin.
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Could have fooled me ...
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm Impressed by a number of candidates like Beto, Gillum, Murkowski and Stacey Abrams in the midterms. But I just can't force myself to vote for Bob Menendez. Even NJ.com says that the race is the most depressing in the country. We have no one exciting and both are scandal plagued. You all know about Menendez's various scandals. But Hugin has lots too. He basically profited off of cancer patients. There is no lesser of two evils here. I'm not a Democrat and not so anti-Trump that I would vote for another politician plagued with scandals just to troll Trump. I want my vote to mean something a little more than that. Menendez seems no better than Trump. Likewise Hugin.
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Same problem here in Illinois. The Republican House rep for my area is an okay guy...near-spotless record, but it's the choices in the gubernatorial race where the problem lies.

Democrat candidate JB Pritzker (Prickster) is a whore to the crooked Democrat Illinois House Speaker (Michael Madigan) and has a history of questionable practices in regards to his property taxes while wanting to jack up everyone else's taxes.

Republican incumbent Bruce Rauner is a piece of RINO **** who has no balls when it comes to taking on Madigan and has some questionable ethical issues himself.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm Impressed by a number of candidates like Beto, Gillum, Murkowski and Stacey Abrams in the midterms. But I just can't force myself to vote for Bob Menendez. Even NJ.com says that the race is the most depressing in the country. We have no one exciting and both are scandal plagued. You all know about Menendez's various scandals. But Hugin has lots too. He basically profited off of cancer patients. There is no lesser of two evils here. I'm not a Democrat and not so anti-Trump that I would vote for another politician plagued with scandals just to troll Trump. I want my vote to mean something a little more than that. Menendez seems no better than Trump. Likewise Hugin.
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Yep, that's the predicament I find myself in. I may have to write in Gandalf the Grey.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Yep, that's the predicament I find myself in. I may have to write in Gandalf the Grey.
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Not voting is the safest bet I think. Menendez is the favorite to win, but no one is putting a gun to my head except all the liberals on twitter who are living in places with more exciting races. I will be safe to criticize Trump b/c I didn't vote for Hugin and still helped the Dems.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
I'm Impressed by a number of candidates like Beto, Gillum, Murkowski and Stacey Abrams in the midterms. But I just can't force myself to vote for Bob Menendez. Even NJ.com says that the race is the most depressing in the country. We have no one exciting and both are scandal plagued. You all know about Menendez's various scandals. But Hugin has lots too. He basically profited off of cancer patients. There is no lesser of two evils here. I'm not a Democrat and not so anti-Trump that I would vote for another politician plagued with scandals just to troll Trump. I want my vote to mean something a little more than that. Menendez seems no better than Trump. Likewise Hugin.
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The issue should be "Who will most closely vote my interests in Senate?" Elections are about you and who you want to control your country. It's not all that hard and your vote is probably cancelled out by some Alzheimer's patient in a rest home. So don't get an ulcer worrying about it.

Forget all the graft. They are all crooked to one degree or another but most are lawyerly enough to tip toe along the edges of the law.
 
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