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Trump taxes: New York authorities examine president's tax affairs

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45727617

The New York State Tax Department has confirmed it is investigating claims by the New York Times that President Trump helped his parents dodge millions of dollars in taxes.

The paper has alleged that the president was involved in "dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud".
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I don't think the dress code at Attica includes super-sized ties.
 
Lock Him Up, throw away the key.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45727617

The New York State Tax Department has confirmed it is investigating claims by the New York Times that President Trump helped his parents dodge millions of dollars in taxes.

The paper has alleged that the president was involved in "dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud".
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I don't think the dress code at Attica includes super-sized ties.

Current thread. Posted yesterday
https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...ump-tax-allegations-new-york-times-story.html
 
Take away all his money instead. It is all fraudulently obtained.

Not instead, but on top of the prison time. The kids that don't end up in a cell beside him can go find a job and work for a living like the rest of us.
 
I’ll reserve more critical comment until there is something worthy of a charge filed. This is an investigation, among a group of you determined to set the standard for guilty until proved innocent for those you cannot stand.
 
I’ll reserve more critical comment until there is something worthy of a charge filed. This is an investigation, among a group of you determined to set the standard for guilty until proved innocent for those you cannot stand.

And if charges are filled?
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45727617

The New York State Tax Department has confirmed it is investigating claims by the New York Times that President Trump helped his parents dodge millions of dollars in taxes.

The paper has alleged that the president was involved in "dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud".
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I don't think the dress code at Attica includes super-sized ties.

I browsed through the Times article but only saw copies of a couple of unsigned pages of a tax return and a few worksheets. There was all kinds of analysis by "experts" but nothing to judge that analysis against. Is there a link to the whole trove of stuff somewhere? I mean, I'm not really inclined to pass judgement on what any of this means if I can't see the basis for the analysis.
 
Not instead, but on top of the prison time. The kids that don't end up in a cell beside him can go find a job and work for a living like the rest of us.

I really would rather Trump worked as a doorman at one of his former hotels. Wouldn't that be grand? :lol:
 
I browsed through the Times article but only saw copies of a couple of unsigned pages of a tax return and a few worksheets. There was all kinds of analysis by "experts" but nothing to judge that analysis against. Is there a link to the whole trove of stuff somewhere? I mean, I'm not really inclined to pass judgement on what any of this means if I can't see the basis for the analysis.

Yea it was all made up and there is nothing to back it up. Why would the NYT leave themselves open to libel charges?
 
He will say it is a made up charge by Democrats angry at losing the election, what else? That is how tribalists behave.

Won't change the facts. Neither will the fact that he would have to be removed from office with no possible pardon if found guilty, and the far right will yap about a coupe and civil war. I say let's get the wheels if justice turning and if some Traitors fall while trying to save their leader I call that a bonus.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45727617

The New York State Tax Department has confirmed it is investigating claims by the New York Times that President Trump helped his parents dodge millions of dollars in taxes.

The paper has alleged that the president was involved in "dubious tax schemes during the 1990s, including instances of outright fraud".
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I don't think the dress code at Attica includes super-sized ties.

Old news. Thousands of hound dog democrats have already investigated Trump on all sorts of criminal tax issues. Rachel Maddow even illegally obtained a copy of Trump's tax return from one year in which he only paid a measly $35 million in taxes, but the Maddow democrat spokesman was unable to determine if that amount was what should have been paid. I wonder how competent the dozens of tax investigators with the IRS have been over the decades if they also have turned up nothing illegal from Trump's taxes.
 
Yea it was all made up and there is nothing to back it up. Why would the NYT leave themselves open to libel charges?

With all due respect, one "expert's" opinion of a given set of circumstances can differ quite dramatically from that of another expert. It's also possible that the differing opinions of various experts are equally valid. We have an entire system of courts established specifically do deal with such differences of opinion.

Look, if your opinion on the Trump tax stuff is merely political then don't bother for looking for opinions you might not agree with. Doing so will probably only give you a headache and indigestion. However, if your interest is to find out exactly what went on then it would be a good idea to seek input from a variety of experts, including ones you might disagree with.
 
With all due respect, one "expert's" opinion of a given set of circumstances can differ quite dramatically from that of another expert. It's also possible that the differing opinions of various experts are equally valid. We have an entire system of courts established specifically do deal with such differences of opinion.

Look, if your opinion on the Trump tax stuff is merely political then don't bother for looking for opinions you might not agree with. Doing so will probably only give you a headache and indigestion. However, if your interest is to find out exactly what went on then it would be a good idea to seek input from a variety of experts, including ones you might disagree with.

LOL Numbers on a tax form are not opinions...
 
Old news. Thousands of hound dog democrats have already investigated Trump on all sorts of criminal tax issues. Rachel Maddow even illegally obtained a copy of Trump's tax return from one year in which he only paid a measly $35 million in taxes, but the Maddow democrat spokesman was unable to determine if that amount was what should have been paid. I wonder how competent the dozens of tax investigators with the IRS have been over the decades if they also have turned up nothing illegal from Trump's taxes.

So getting away with murder makes someone innocent? Too much.
 
LOL Numbers on a tax form are not opinions...

If you believe that then you never even read any of the Times piece which, among other things, complains that the valuation of various properties was actually higher than reported. That's the very definition of an opinion.

I understand that a lot of people figure "tax returns are fact". They tend to think of it as "I reported my W-2, my bank interest and my mortgage. Those numbers are all facts because I have the paperwork to prove them". Well, not all tax returns are that basic and when you get into reporting net business income, net investment income, etc. a lot of what gets reported is the result of a whole lot of opinions along the way. Heck, reporting that you dropped $499 dollars worth of stuff off at the Salvation Army is pretty much always an opinion.
 
If you believe that then you never even read any of the Times piece which, among other things, complains that the valuation of various properties was actually higher than reported. That's the very definition of an opinion.

I understand that a lot of people figure "tax returns are fact". They tend to think of it as "I reported my W-2, my bank interest and my mortgage. Those numbers are all facts because I have the paperwork to prove them". Well, not all tax returns are that basic and when you get into reporting net business income, net investment income, etc. a lot of what gets reported is the result of a whole lot of opinions along the way. Heck, reporting that you dropped $499 dollars worth of stuff off at the Salvation Army is pretty much always an opinion.

Yes the actual values of the properties were 100's of times higher and you still think that is opinion? Whatever. Your bias is showing.
 
I have heard accusations from those claiming Hillary is guilty of murder, but not Trump.

I have heard accusations of Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulting young females, but not Merrick Garland.
 
I have heard accusations of Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulting young females, but not Merrick Garland.

Merrick Garland could be a homosexual for all we know but if he is there is no wonder democrats loved him.
 
If you believe that then you never even read any of the Times piece which, among other things, complains that the valuation of various properties was actually higher than reported. That's the very definition of an opinion.
Yeah, it's a bit more than that.

Emblematic of their audacity was Park Briar, a 150-unit building in Queens. As it happened, 18 days before Fred Trump Jr.’s death, the Trump siblings had submitted Park Briar’s co-op conversion plan, stating under oath that the building was worth $17.1 million. Yet as Fred Trump Jr.’s executors, Donald Trump and his father claimed on the tax return that Park Briar was worth $2.9 million when Fred Trump Jr. died.

Yep, that's right: According to the exact same people, the valuation of the building magically dropped 86% in just 18 days. With, of course, no changes whatsoever to the building. The only thing that changed was who the Trumps were talking to.

There were also the millions in loans to Donald, that were never repaid, and never properly classified as forgiven, in violation of tax laws:

By 1987, for example, Donald Trump’s loan debt to his father had grown to at least $11 million. Yet canceling the debt would have required Donald Trump to pay millions in taxes on the amount forgiven. Father and son found another solution, one never before disclosed, that appears to constitute both an unreported multimillion-dollar gift and a potentially illegal tax write-off.

In December 1987, records show, Fred Trump bought a 7.5 percent stake in Trump Palace, a 55-story condominium building his son was erecting on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. Most, if not all, of his investment, which totaled $15.5 million, was made by exchanging his son’s unpaid debts for Trump Palace shares, records show.

Four years later, in December 1991, Fred Trump sold his entire stake in Trump Palace for just $10,000, his tax returns and financial statements reveal. Those documents do not identify who bought his stake. But other records indicate that he sold it back to his son.


Are you sure you read the right article...?


I understand that a lot of people figure "tax returns are fact". They tend to think of it as "I reported my W-2, my bank interest and my mortgage. Those numbers are all facts because I have the paperwork to prove them".
Yeah, that's not what they did, and it's not how the tax system is supposed to work.

The issue isn't about alleged complexities. It's not about the differences between individual or corporate partnerships. This is not about possible ambiguities over a $500 clothing donation. It's that they repeatedly and deliberately undervalued their properties, failed to properly handle unpaid loans, and used a variety of other methods, to avoid paying gift taxes while transferring money and property from Fred to his children (mostly Donald). The result was that the beneficiaries of Fred Trump's estate evaded tens of millions of taxes, in a way that was very likely riddled with fraud.

Aside from any potential fraud, the article describes some of the ways that Fred repeatedly bailed out Donald's failures. Only one of these was well-known before today -- Fred bought $3.5 million in chips from a casino that Donald drove into the ground, and never used them; that was an illegal loan. We didn't know that Fred had pulled nearly $50 million out of his businesses (something he never did, he was very frugal) to cover Donald's mistakes.

We've known for a long time that Donald's claims that he is a "self-made man" were lies, though we didn't know the full extent of it. We probably still don't know it all, as the article's authors spent years accumulating documents and interviewing people, and said there was no end to what they were finding.
 
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