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    Re: Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ousts Joe Crowley in New York stunner, CNN project

    Quote Originally Posted by Aristaeus View Post
    That two percent is a future spending agreement, not a current spending agreement. Best not to repeat what comes out of Trump's mouth; it's very rarely correct.

    You talk about accountability and recourse in healthcare. You can't vote a CEO out of his role for doing a bad job, but you can a politician.
    Considering the US has been responsible for 90% of NATOs funding and military capability since 1949, 2% is nothing, and still our NATO partners can't meet it

    Like I said, the US taxpayer has been subsidizing the single payer systems in Western Europe and Canada for decades.
    The Truman doctrine set the stage for American foreign policy from 1949 to 1989, and even after the Berlin Wall fell we continued to fund a military large enough to check Russian aggression into Western Europe

    Our NATO partners we're more than willing to allow the US to fund their defense, while they spent their money experimenting with Socialism

    And there will be no recourse under a American single payer system, or accountability.
    Once socialized healthcare is implemented in the US, oversight will become impossible. No matter how poorly run it is, how expensive it becomes or how much damage it does to our economy, it will be seen as a success by Left wing ideologues who care more about the implementation of their agenda than average Americans

    Obamacare was a disaster, and the Left still tried to defend it. Singlepayer will be no different
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    Re: Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ousts Joe Crowley in New York stunner, CNN project

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Considering the US has been responsible for 90% of NATOs funding and military capability since 1949, 2% is nothing, and still our NATO partners can't meet it

    Like I said, the US taxpayer has been subsidizing the single payer systems in Western Europe and Canada for decades.
    The Truman doctrine set the stage for American foreign policy from 1949 to 1989, and even after the Berlin Wall fell we continued to fund a military large enough to check Russian aggression into Western Europe

    Our NATO partners we're more than willing to allow the US to fund their defense
    This is all true...except for subsidizing single payer systems. Single payer systems and government provided healthcare was first instituted in Germany in the 1800's. The UK which meets it's NATO demands has a government health care system.


    And there will be no recourse under a American single payer system, or accountability.
    Once socialized healthcare is implemented in the US, oversight will become impossible. No matter how poorly run it is, how expensive it becomes or how much damage it does to our economy, it will be seen as a success by Left wing ideologues who care more about the implementation of their agenda than average Americans
    A single payer system is literally the government taking out the insurance middle man...it's the collection of money and the processing of payment. What's damaging our economy is the US paying much more in healthcare than other wealthy countries. We already insure the most costly, most risky population in the country....old people.
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    Re: Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ousts Joe Crowley in New York stunner, CNN project

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    This is all true...except for subsidizing single payer systems. Single payer systems and government provided healthcare was first instituted in Germany in the 1800's. The UK which meets it's NATO demands has a government health care system.




    A single payer system is literally the government taking out the insurance middle man...it's the collection of money and the processing of payment. What's damaging our economy is the US paying much more in healthcare than other wealthy countries. We already insure the most costly, most risky population in the country....old people.

    If after the war our Western European allies were forced to match the Soviets militarily funding and capability without us, they would have not been able to afford a single payer system.

    So yes, the American tax payer has been subdizing their and Canada's Singlepayer system for decades and our NATO allies not only support massive US defense spending , they exploit it.

    As for drug prices, we don't have to Nationalize 1/6 of our economy to address rising drug cost. Proponents of single payer seem to have forgotten Vermonts failed attempt to implement a single payer system that was signed into law in 2011

    Green mountain care was basically shelved after the State realized that the tax increases needed to fund their single payer system would have collapsed the State and local economy

    Vermont would have had to basically double their 1 billion dollars in annual revenue to fund Green mountain care. Massive tax increases on small businesses and the middle class would be far more detrimental to the economy than rising drug cost
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    Re: Democratic socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ousts Joe Crowley in New York stunner, CNN project

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If after the war our Western European allies were forced to match the Soviets militarily funding and capability without us, they would have not been able to afford a single payer system.

    So yes, the American tax payer has been subdizing their and Canada's Singlepayer system for decades and our NATO allies not only support massive US defense spending , they exploit it
    US defense spending goes towards maintaining a global presence that allows us to fight on multiple front. If NATO didn't exist, we would still spend a ton of money to continue our philosophy of being able to fight on multiple fronts at once.

    The idea that we spend so much on defense because of NATO is just false. They benefit from it, as does most countries in the world, but the US benefits from a world system where we were the ones that basically wrote the rules.


    As for drug prices, we don't have to Nationalize 1/6 of our economy to address rising drug cost. Proponents of single payer seem to have forgotten Vermonts failed attempt to implement a single payer system that was signed into law in 2011
    We're not nationalizing healthcare, we would be nationalizing health insurance. The people that literally take all of our money and then turn around and pay the hospital.

    You don't really have to point to Vermont...as you mentioned almost every country in the world has a Single Payer system and it's cheaper.


    Green mountain care was basically shelved after the State realized that the tax increases needed to fund their single payer system would have collapsed the State and local economy
    Not true at all.

    Vermont would have had to basically double their 1 billion dollars in annual revenue to fund Green mountain care. Massive tax increases on small businesses and the middle class would be far more detrimental to the economy than rising drug cost
    They also has a lot of exemptions in their plan for multi state companies.

    We have a broken system plain and system. We have a large number of people uncovered and we sink an enormous amount into healthcare.
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