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Before the SCOTUS decision -Janus v. AFSCME, Cuomo signs changes to NY Taylor Law

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Two links, two points of view

https://cseany.org/workforce/janus-v-afscme-council-31/taylor-law-changes-a-big-win-for-csea/

ALBANY — In a major victory for CSEA, Gov. Andrew Cuomo recently signed legislation that changes the state’s Taylor Law to protect working people from the impending implications of the U.S. Supreme Court’s expected ruling in Janus v. AFSCME Council 31.
Here is a look at the changes to the Taylor Law, initially passed in 1967:

Duty of Fair Representation limited

The most important change to the Taylor Law relates to the Duty of Fair Representation.
The new legislation gives public employee unions the option not to provide representation to non-members in any disciplinary cases. Unions will not be required to offer any legal, economic, or job-related services beyond those provided in the collective bargaining agreement.

New employee information boost

The new legislation also states that public employers must notify an employee organization of new employees, and provide the following, within 30 days of employment:
name; address; job title; employing agency department or other operating unit; and work location.

Public employers must also allow a duly appointed representative to meet with new employees at the work site during work time for a reasonable amount of time without requiring employees to charge leave time. Additionally, employee organizations are now permitted to use electronic membership cards.


https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/senate-set-to-ok-union-trap-law/

A bill designed to make it harder for New York government workers to extricate themselves from labor union membership rolls is poised to move out of a key Senate committee next week. (reported before Cuomo signed)

The obvious answer is the U.S. Supreme Court case Janus v. AFSCME, which could effectively strike down, on First Amendment grounds, all state laws compelling government workers to pay a dues-like fee as a condition of employment. The case, in which the lead plaintiff is Illinois state government employee Mark Janus, will be argued in February and decided by the end of the current court term in June.

Odds seem to be in favor of Janus based on a case raising the same issues, Friedrichs v. California Teachers’ Association, which was argued in early 2016 but resulted in a 4-4 deadlock after the sudden death of Justice Antonin Scalia, who was expected to vote in favor of the plaintiff.

Required to pay the same sum either way, most government workers now choose to sign up as union members, which allows them to vote in union elections and run for union office, as well as qualify for group discounts on consumer items such as movie tickets. But the value proposition of government union membership will change radically if workers are suddenly able to choose between paying dues and paying nothing at all.


Not sure which way I'm going on this one. I see both sides of this. Thoughts?
 
Two links, two points of view

https://cseany.org/workforce/janus-v-afscme-council-31/taylor-law-changes-a-big-win-for-csea/

ALBANY — In a major victory for CSEA, Gov. Andrew Cuomo recently signed legislation that changes the state’s Taylor Law to protect working people from the impending implications of the U.S. Supreme Court’s expected ruling in Janus v. AFSCME Council 31.
Here is a look at the changes to the Taylor Law, initially passed in 1967:

Duty of Fair Representation limited

The most important change to the Taylor Law relates to the Duty of Fair Representation.
The new legislation gives public employee unions the option not to provide representation to non-members in any disciplinary cases. Unions will not be required to offer any legal, economic, or job-related services beyond those provided in the collective bargaining agreement.

New employee information boost

The new legislation also states that public employers must notify an employee organization of new employees, and provide the following, within 30 days of employment:
name; address; job title; employing agency department or other operating unit; and work location.

Public employers must also allow a duly appointed representative to meet with new employees at the work site during work time for a reasonable amount of time without requiring employees to charge leave time. Additionally, employee organizations are now permitted to use electronic membership cards.


https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/senate-set-to-ok-union-trap-law/

A bill designed to make it harder for New York government workers to extricate themselves from labor union membership rolls is poised to move out of a key Senate committee next week. (reported before Cuomo signed)

The obvious answer is the U.S. Supreme Court case Janus v. AFSCME, which could effectively strike down, on First Amendment grounds, all state laws compelling government workers to pay a dues-like fee as a condition of employment. The case, in which the lead plaintiff is Illinois state government employee Mark Janus, will be argued in February and decided by the end of the current court term in June.

Odds seem to be in favor of Janus based on a case raising the same issues, Friedrichs v. California Teachers’ Association, which was argued in early 2016 but resulted in a 4-4 deadlock after the sudden death of Justice Antonin Scalia, who was expected to vote in favor of the plaintiff.

Required to pay the same sum either way, most government workers now choose to sign up as union members, which allows them to vote in union elections and run for union office, as well as qualify for group discounts on consumer items such as movie tickets. But the value proposition of government union membership will change radically if workers are suddenly able to choose between paying dues and paying nothing at all.


Not sure which way I'm going on this one. I see both sides of this. Thoughts?

I'm not a big fan of unions, but I understand how they still have a place in our society, although I feel that place and need is waning.

As for public employees, I don't support public employee unions. The servants of the people should not be allowed to hold the people hostage (strikes) to extort more money, nor should public employees be able to legally bride politicians with donations or quid pro quo vote guarantees for legislation that benefits the public employee unions at the expense of tax payers.
 
I'm not a big fan of unions, but I understand how they still have a place in our society, although I feel that place and need is waning.

As for public employees, I don't support public employee unions. The servants of the people should not be allowed to hold the people hostage (strikes) to extort more money, nor should public employees be able to legally bride politicians with donations or quid pro quo vote guarantees for legislation that benefits the public employee unions at the expense of tax payers.


Under the Taylor law, public employees are prohibited from striking. I don't know about other states.
 
Under the Taylor law, public employees are prohibited from striking. I don't know about other states.

I'm not familiar with that law. I just remember the strikes by bus drivers, solid waste workers, teachers (like the ones that shut down the schools in numerous states over the last few weeks) and other examples that harm the people directly.
 
Two links, two points of view

https://cseany.org/workforce/janus-v-afscme-council-31/taylor-law-changes-a-big-win-for-csea/

ALBANY — In a major victory for CSEA, Gov. Andrew Cuomo recently signed legislation that changes the state’s Taylor Law to protect working people from the impending implications of the U.S. Supreme Court’s expected ruling in Janus v. AFSCME Council 31.
Here is a look at the changes to the Taylor Law, initially passed in 1967:

Duty of Fair Representation limited

The most important change to the Taylor Law relates to the Duty of Fair Representation.
The new legislation gives public employee unions the option not to provide representation to non-members in any disciplinary cases. Unions will not be required to offer any legal, economic, or job-related services beyond those provided in the collective bargaining agreement.

New employee information boost

The new legislation also states that public employers must notify an employee organization of new employees, and provide the following, within 30 days of employment:
name; address; job title; employing agency department or other operating unit; and work location.

Public employers must also allow a duly appointed representative to meet with new employees at the work site during work time for a reasonable amount of time without requiring employees to charge leave time. Additionally, employee organizations are now permitted to use electronic membership cards.


https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/senate-set-to-ok-union-trap-law/

A bill designed to make it harder for New York government workers to extricate themselves from labor union membership rolls is poised to move out of a key Senate committee next week. (reported before Cuomo signed)

The obvious answer is the U.S. Supreme Court case Janus v. AFSCME, which could effectively strike down, on First Amendment grounds, all state laws compelling government workers to pay a dues-like fee as a condition of employment. The case, in which the lead plaintiff is Illinois state government employee Mark Janus, will be argued in February and decided by the end of the current court term in June.

Odds seem to be in favor of Janus based on a case raising the same issues, Friedrichs v. California Teachers’ Association, which was argued in early 2016 but resulted in a 4-4 deadlock after the sudden death of Justice Antonin Scalia, who was expected to vote in favor of the plaintiff.

Required to pay the same sum either way, most government workers now choose to sign up as union members, which allows them to vote in union elections and run for union office, as well as qualify for group discounts on consumer items such as movie tickets. But the value proposition of government union membership will change radically if workers are suddenly able to choose between paying dues and paying nothing at all.


Not sure which way I'm going on this one. I see both sides of this. Thoughts?

Personally, I think mandatory joining a union or paying dues for or obtaining a job is dead wrong. Totally un-American. I'm not sure how the SCOTUS will come down on this, I almost always guess wrong. Now I have no problem with unions not representing non-union employees either. Unions shouldn't have to if that is the case in New York.

If one wants union benefits, join the union and pay the dues. But mandatory joining and/or paying dues shouldn't have one thing to do with one obtaining a job or keeping one.
 
Personally, I think mandatory joining a union or paying dues for or obtaining a job is dead wrong. Totally un-American. I'm not sure how the SCOTUS will come down on this, I almost always guess wrong. Now I have no problem with unions not representing non-union employees either. Unions shouldn't have to if that is the case in New York.

If one wants union benefits, join the union and pay the dues. But mandatory joining and/or paying dues shouldn't have one thing to do with one obtaining a job or keeping one.


I also lean towards that, but what keeps me on the other side is if everyone bails on the unions, the reason they were created might start to creep back in. People are comfortable and forget what it was like before unions, so all they will think about the the money they will save from the dues. IMO.

I would hope that employers wouldn't think of doing what they used to, but I've lost faith in the goodness of companies that are not family owned.
 
I also lean towards that, but what keeps me on the other side is if everyone bails on the unions, the reason they were created might start to creep back in. People are comfortable and forget what it was like before unions, so all they will think about the the money they will save from the dues. IMO.

I would hope that employers wouldn't think of doing what they used to, but I've lost faith in the goodness of companies that are not family owned.

Companies are created to make money. But I think we have plenty of federal laws on the books to prevent companies from reverting back to where they were at the beginning of the 19th century. OSHA and the like aren't going away, unions or no unions. There are currently 28 right to work states, you haven't seen any reversion in any of them.
 
FINALLY a thread about unions and forced dues payment
 
Two links, two points of view

https://cseany.org/workforce/janus-v-afscme-council-31/taylor-law-changes-a-big-win-for-csea/

ALBANY — In a major victory for CSEA, Gov. Andrew Cuomo recently signed legislation that changes the state’s Taylor Law to protect working people from the impending implications of the U.S. Supreme Court’s expected ruling in Janus v. AFSCME Council 31.

How does it "protect working people" from the expected SCOTUS ruling?

Duty of Fair Representation limited

The most important change to the Taylor Law relates to the Duty of Fair Representation.
The new legislation gives public employee unions the option not to provide representation to non-members in any disciplinary cases. Unions will not be required to offer any legal, economic, or job-related services beyond those provided in the collective bargaining agreement.

This protects union financial resources, not "working people."

New employee information boost

The new legislation also states that public employers must notify an employee organization of new employees, and provide the following, within 30 days of employment:
name; address; job title; employing agency department or other operating unit; and work location.

How does that "protect working people from the impending implications of... Janus?" That has nothing to do with Janus. It's entirely separate thing meant to benefit unions, not "working people." If anything it does the opposite of protecting working people, as it makes new employees a target of aggressive union sales pitches when they are just trying to focus on getting oriented to their new jobs.

Further, most public sector jobs have 90 or 180 day probationary periods within which they can be let go for any reason or no reason, so union protection during this introductory period is worthless during this initial period anyway. If unions are to be entitled access to employee information (which I personally disagree that they should at all), it should at least be after this probationary period, not within 30 days of hire.

Why do unions want such immediate access? Because when people are brand new to their jobs, they're less likely to make up their own minds and assert themselves, and rather are more likely to be agreeable with what anyone is suggesting they do. They don't want to rock any boats or make any waves, because they are new and in a probationary period. Unions want to exploit new employees' mental state of being extra-agreeable in order to secure 12 months of dues payments.

It is not defensible or excusable for media sources to do unions' bidding by lying about things like this and claim it's meant to "protect working people."
 
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I'm not a big fan of unions, but I understand how they still have a place in our society, although I feel that place and need is waning.

As for public employees, I don't support public employee unions. The servants of the people should not be allowed to hold the people hostage (strikes) to extort more money, nor should public employees be able to legally bride politicians with donations or quid pro quo vote guarantees for legislation that benefits the public employee unions at the expense of tax payers.

Under the Taylor law, public employees are prohibited from striking. I don't know about other states.

Public employees are not necessarily prohibited from striking. It depends on the type of public employee that they are, and what the state statute says about it. Those public employees that cannot strike are often entitled to interest arbitration, which is a costly process whereby some random judge comes in and makes up his mind as to what's best for a new collective bargaining agreement.

The cost to the taxpayer of even non-stike related statutory procedures for resolving impasse and guaranteeing union employees will win a new bargaining agreement often balloons and can become so significant that it exerts the same type of "hostage" like pressure on public officials to just cower to union demands.
 
New employee information boost

The new legislation also states that public employers must notify an employee organization of new employees, and provide the following, within 30 days of employment:
name; address; job title; employing agency department or other operating unit; and work location.

How does that "protect working people from the impending implications of... Janus?" That has nothing to do with Janus. It's entirely separate thing meant to benefit unions, not "working people." If anything it does the opposite of protecting working people, as it makes new employees a target of aggressive union sales pitches when they are just trying to focus on getting oriented to their new jobs.

Further, most public sector jobs have 90 or 180 day probationary periods within which they can be let go for any reason or no reason, so union protection during this introductory period is worthless during this initial period anyway. If unions are to be entitled access to employee information (which I personally disagree that they should at all), it should at least be after this probationary period, not within 30 days of hire.

Why do unions want such immediate access? Because when people are brand new to their jobs, they're less likely to make up their own minds and assert themselves, and rather are more likely to be agreeable with what anyone is suggesting they do. They don't want to rock any boats or make any waves, because they are new and in a probationary period. Unions want to exploit new employees' mental state of being extra-agreeable in order to secure 12 months of dues payments.

It is not defensible or excusable for media sources to do unions' bidding by lying about things like this and claim it's meant to "protect working people."

Frankly that to me sounds like a "great" opportunity to bully someone into doing something that they may not want to do. Also sounds like a violation of peoples Right to Privacy.
 
Frankly that to me sounds like a "great" opportunity to bully someone into doing something that they may not want to do. Also sounds like a violation of peoples Right to Privacy.

People's "right to privacy" is whatever the government says that it is, and in the case of New York's government, they're saying that public employees do not have a right to privacy over their personal information when it comes to unions.
 
Frankly that to me sounds like a "great" opportunity to bully someone into doing something that they may not want to do. Also sounds like a violation of peoples Right to Privacy.

It is too aggressive for my taste. I guess it can be said if you do not like it, you don't have to work for that employer, however, many people don't have that luxury.
 
Public employees are not necessarily prohibited from striking. It depends on the type of public employee that they are, and what the state statute says about it. Those public employees that cannot strike are often entitled to interest arbitration, which is a costly process whereby some random judge comes in and makes up his mind as to what's best for a new collective bargaining agreement.

The cost to the taxpayer of even non-stike related statutory procedures for resolving impasse and guaranteeing union employees will win a new bargaining agreement often balloons and can become so significant that it exerts the same type of "hostage" like pressure on public officials to just cower to union demands.


In NY, the Taylor law prohibits strikes. Arbitration is within any union, whether they have a clause prohibiting striking or not.
 
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