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Cynthia Nixon narrows gap with Cuomo

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She's got the Cuomo team rattled and he looked like a pandering fool in that speech today. I think it's safe to say NYers have a pretty exciting race on their hands now.

The Siena College poll, conducted from April 8 to 12, shows Cuomo holds a 31 percentage point lead over Nixon, who is challenging him in the Democratic primary.

Last month’s Siena poll showed Cuomo with a 47-point lead over Nixon.

For Reference: Poll: Cynthia Nixon narrows gap with Cuomo | TheHill

https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/cynthia-nixon-gets-the-new-york-magazine-treatment/

https://thinkprogress.org/andrew-cuomo-says-hes-undocumented-2881e97f6bf2/

Cynthia Nixon Comes for ?the Bad Cuomo? on Colbert

Cuomo, In Speech To Honor MLK, Announces Executive Order To Allow People On Parole To Vote | WSHU
 
Also of note. I don't agree w/anything that Cynthia Nixon has to say, but I recognize political talent when I see it.
 
Cuomo will win by at least 20 points.
 
Also of note. I don't agree w/anything that Cynthia Nixon has to say, but I recognize political talent when I see it.

To Wit:

But in the three weeks Nixon has been on the campaign trail, she’s evolved into a different kind of figure, a liberal fairy godmother radiating the warmth and empathy missing from the current political landscape, not to mention from the standoffish personality of her opponent. Where Cuomo barely shakes hands, Nixon hugs — like in Crown Heights during a tour of NYCHA housing, when she embraced a crying mother while blasting the governor and mayor for the dilapidated conditions. Where the governor talks, she listens, like upstate in Hoosick Falls, where she met with residents whose water supply has been contaminated by toxic manufacturing chemicals. Where Cuomo points to the realities of overhauling a decrepit subway system and talks of “deferred maintenance,” Nixon vows to get it done whatever the cost. “We need to invest in our infrastructure,” she said at her birthday party, to cheers. “If we let the subway die, the city dies too!”
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After all, these are emotional times, and Recent Events have demonstrated that it’s possible for a candidate to surf to victory on a wave of feelings. “In three weeks,” says Greer, “what started as a kamikaze mission has turned into: Could this be a competitive primary?”
Cynthia Nixon Is Serious About Her Candidacy for NY Governor

I am a believer.
 
Cuomo has a $40 mil or so war chest, and the incumbency.

Nixon has an empty purse, name recognition and a prettier face. Plus she got herself a political do, this latter a mistake, makes her look like one of the establishment she's trying to reform. She's a dilettante and doesn't understand she needs to work the backrooms.

Cuomo has the tenuous support of the Catholic Church (damaged by his divorce and now living in sin with his girlfriend, yes it matters for the Church, a powerful political presence in NYC and the suburbs), past support of the Conservative and Liberal parties, the latter relatively archaic. His girlfriend brings the socialites and charity set. He has the civil service unions, she doesn't. Nixon has the LGBT community for the most part and some of the progressives, the remainder don't see her as progressive. The Jewish voting block has Cuomo's back. The black voting block is divided between progressives and civil service workers along with the religious community, 2/3 for Cuomo who has hired and appointed extensively from the community throughout his tenure. Cuomo is a familiar face in the Black churches, Nixon is antithetic to their morals which looks at Sex in the City as white porn. Priests, clerics and lay leaders from every Christian religious group oppose her as a poor example of a moral person and are speaking against her avidly. The muslims and Sikhs don't vote unless a candidate is one of their own. Cuomo has most of the Spanish communities and non progressive leaders.

So far, every issue she's raised, he has coopted. A long time opposer of legalizing marijuana, she propose making it legal, the next day he said the landscape has changed and he supports legalization, sent a study of the tax revenue to be derived from legalization to a state senate finance committee.

Nixon has no presence in upstate and western NY. Pataki proved he could win the governorship without NYC, just upstate and western NY combined with the NYC suburbs.

Nixon faces the upstate and western NY legacy from Hilary Clinton who promised 200k new jobs during her senatorial campaign, didn't deliver one. Since Nixon's new do, local newspapers, which do carry a substantial influence in local politics have been showing Nixon in cartoons as Hilary's younger sister.

This is a primary, not an election. Nixon has no support in the backrooms of the political clubs, Cuomo knows how to promise jobs and contracts. And he has delivered in the past. She's a blank slate and doesn't have a clue as to who's hands she must shake.

Haymarket's prediction may be understated, accurate at the least. Tho it might go much worse for her.
 
Cuomo has a $40 mil or so war chest, and the incumbency.

Nixon has an empty purse, name recognition and a prettier face. Plus she got herself a political do, this latter a mistake, makes her look like one of the establishment she's trying to reform. She's a dilettante and doesn't understand she needs to work the backrooms.

Cuomo has the tenuous support of the Catholic Church (damaged by his divorce and now living in sin with his girlfriend, yes it matters for the Church, a powerful political presence in NYC and the suburbs), past support of the Conservative and Liberal parties, the latter relatively archaic. His girlfriend brings the socialites and charity set. He has the civil service unions, she doesn't. Nixon has the LGBT community for the most part and some of the progressives, the remainder don't see her as progressive. The Jewish voting block has Cuomo's back. The black voting block is divided between progressives and civil service workers along with the religious community, 2/3 for Cuomo who has hired and appointed extensively from the community throughout his tenure. Cuomo is a familiar face in the Black churches, Nixon is antithetic to their morals which looks at Sex in the City as white porn. Priests, clerics and lay leaders from every Christian religious group oppose her as a poor example of a moral person and are speaking against her avidly. The muslims and Sikhs don't vote unless a candidate is one of their own. Cuomo has most of the Spanish communities and non progressive leaders.

So far, every issue she's raised, he has coopted. A long time opposer of legalizing marijuana, she propose making it legal, the next day he said the landscape has changed and he supports legalization, sent a study of the tax revenue to be derived from legalization to a state senate finance committee.

Nixon has no presence in upstate and western NY. Pataki proved he could win the governorship without NYC, just upstate and western NY combined with the NYC suburbs.

Nixon faces the upstate and western NY legacy from Hilary Clinton who promised 200k new jobs during her senatorial campaign, didn't deliver one. Since Nixon's new do, local newspapers, which do carry a substantial influence in local politics have been showing Nixon in cartoons as Hilary's younger sister.

This is a primary, not an election. Nixon has no support in the backrooms of the political clubs, Cuomo knows how to promise jobs and contracts. And he has delivered in the past. She's a blank slate and doesn't have a clue as to who's hands she must shake.

Haymarket's prediction may be understated, accurate at the least. Tho it might go much worse for her.

Add in one bad subway service disruption and all of that very well might not save him, long suffering under incompetence and corruption NY citizens might just go with fresh.

Says the guy sitting in Olympia Wa.
 
Add in one bad subway service disruption and all of that very well might not save him, long suffering under incompetence and corruption NY citizens might just go with fresh.

Says the guy sitting in Olympia Wa.

As much as we complain about NYC's subway system, it is mostly incredibly efficient, speedy, and moves a massive amount of people daily. Disruptions make for low hanging headlines. Current ridership is at all time highs, never anticipated. But NYer's cry everytime the fare goes up to pay for improved services, "How dare you take another thin dime out of my pocket!?" Soon enough it will be summer, and the system will offer the lovely aromas of stale urine and "what the hell is that stench?" Subway riders don't speak, they are busy holding down the bile, and staring at their signal less smart phones. Then someone yells "RAT!" Grown men panic and women blame the mayor not the governor.

Nixon is not known as subway patron. She's been photographed many times commuting from Brooklyn to Manhattan in car service Lincolns.

You're speaking of a non-event when it happens, forgotten in a day or two at most. There's at least 1 or 2 disruptions everyday. Yesterday, a conductor stopped and held up a train for an hour to rescue a puppy running on the tracks. Backed up two major lines during rush hour. Most commuters responded "aw, a puppy." Others cursed in 72 languages. The day before someone threw himself in front of train, making a mess for hours.

The L line between trendy Williamsburg, Greenpoint and downtown Manhattan is shutting down for a year or so due to reconstruction, long overdue. The trust fund kiddies are having conniption fits, but hey, they come from elsewhere anyway and will ride their bikes into Manhattan and learn about buses.

Don't worry, Bill DeBlasio is setting up more bike lanes no one is using, and tho they hate each other, he and Andy are talking congestive price schemes for drivers as they both interfere with traffic.

General consensus is, she shouldn't have gotten that do.

You're just a sucker for a pretty face and nice legs. God Bless. :)
 

I looked at the poll, it has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.3 points. Taking that into consideration, Cuomo lead last month could have been 42.7 point instead of 47 and this month it could be 35.7 . That huge 16 point drop might actually be 7. Still not a good sign, but in my opinion nothing to get too excited about.

It is also interesting to note two other polls taking in or near the same time frame shows Cuomo with a 47 point lead, Marist and with a 40 point lead, Remington. Marist had a MOE of plus of minus six points and Remington plus or minus 2.2. Taking in consideration the MOE, those two polls could very well be saying the same thing. Cuomo lead could actually be 42.2 in the Remington and 41 in the Marist.

So just a hint of advise, always take the MOE into consideration and always compare polls if taken in relatively the same time period. We have Siena, Marist and Remington. I like averaging, since the polls were taken 7-8 Apr, 3-9 Apr and 8-12 Apr averaging is a good way to get a clearer and usually more accurate picture. Doing so shows Cuomo with a 39 point lead. Don't rely on just one poll.
 
https://www.politico.com/states/new...ls-for-better-democrats-to-run-in-2018-234728

Politico said:
In her speech Saturday, she called on the Democratic Party nationally to pay more attention to income inequality and abandon “the big money interests that fund its campaigns,” before bringing the focus back to New York.

“If we had bluer Democrats, New York wouldn't have the worst inequality in the country,” she said. “For all the pride that we take here in being such a blue state, New York has the single worst income inequality of any state in the country — how can we know this fact and let it stand without actively working to change it?”

She's certainly got my vote.

It's an uphill, difficult battle given the entrenched and significant advantages of Cuomo's incumbency, and one she's not likely to win, but someone's got to primary him; so it is too with Feinstein.
 
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As much as we complain about NYC's subway system, it is mostly incredibly efficient, speedy, and moves a massive amount of people daily. Disruptions make for low hanging headlines. Current ridership is at all time highs, never anticipated. But NYer's cry everytime the fare goes up to pay for improved services, "How dare you take another thin dime out of my pocket!?" Soon enough it will be summer, and the system will offer the lovely aromas of stale urine and "what the hell is that stench?" Subway riders don't speak, they are busy holding down the bile, and staring at their signal less smart phones. Then someone yells "RAT!" Grown men panic and women blame the mayor not the governor.

Nixon is not known as subway patron. She's been photographed many times commuting from Brooklyn to Manhattan in car service Lincolns.

You're speaking of a non-event when it happens, forgotten in a day or two at most. There's at least 1 or 2 disruptions everyday. Yesterday, a conductor stopped and held up a train for an hour to rescue a puppy running on the tracks. Backed up two major lines during rush hour. Most commuters responded "aw, a puppy." Others cursed in 72 languages. The day before someone threw himself in front of train, making a mess for hours.

The L line between trendy Williamsburg, Greenpoint and downtown Manhattan is shutting down for a year or so due to reconstruction, long overdue. The trust fund kiddies are having conniption fits, but hey, they come from elsewhere anyway and will ride their bikes into Manhattan and learn about buses.

Don't worry, Bill DeBlasio is setting up more bike lanes no one is using, and tho they hate each other, he and Andy are talking congestive price schemes for drivers as they both interfere with traffic.

General consensus is, she shouldn't have gotten that do.

You're just a sucker for a pretty face and nice legs. God Bless. :)


Jesus ****ing Christ.

Did you see that the state and the city have only now just gotten their act together to try to get the AC working this summer unlike last summer...how they have wasted all of this time about 3/4 of a year before starting because of squabbling and bureaucracy, , and that they still need to hire the people they need to get it done? If things go sideways this summer again people might just remember the light effort, and Nixon will hammer hard.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ltering-subway-cars-this-summer-idUSKCN1HD31M
 
Jesus ****ing Christ.

Did you see that the state and the city have only now just gotten their act together to try to get the AC working this summer unlike last summer...how they have wasted all of this time about 3/4 of a year before starting because of squabbling and bureaucracy, , and that they still need to hire the people they need to get it done? If things go sideways this summer again people might just remember the light effort, and Nixon will hammer hard.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ltering-subway-cars-this-summer-idUSKCN1HD31M

The piece is a bit misleading. The MTA is subordinated to the Port Authority of NY and NJ. Local state and city politicians have no say in its operations. The PA will, as usual, ignore any political input from mayors, governors or any other politicians, including Nixon. The State and the City hasn't got its act together for anything other than BS public relations nonsense eaten by hungry pseudo journalists.

Last summer 85% of AC failures were on the 222 R32 cars (of the entire fleet of 6,418 cars), installed 1964-66, last upgraded 1995-6, exceeding the MTA's 35 year life expectancy. For the first summer season since 1948, when no subway cars were air conditioned, the MTA short shops for overnight repairs of failing cars (doors and ac units) is fully funded and staffed with about 1400 union workers. That's up from 965 workers last summer. Not exactly a light effort. Malfunctioning doors are a far greater problem than AC units. Nothing made by man is perfect. Cuomo is attempting to take some credit for this additional manpower, but it was mandated by a court order 8 years ago, and the MTA was paying fines in lieu of hiring, it was cheaper, significantly cheaper. The NYC Commuters Union brought a new action 2 years ago which got the potential fines increased by court order to ten times the prior amount, making it significantly less expense to hire.

Had anyone from Reuters actually ridden the NYC subway system last summer or any previous summer, this political fluff piece would be even more of an embarrassment. NYC commuters expect AC problems on the system. No one, absolutely no one, is happy with station platform temperatures come summer, or the stench caused by the utter lack of working safe and open bathrooms, not to mention cheap perfume and cologne samples in copies of NY Magazine. Station platforms routinely reach temperatures higher than 120 degree F. Many of the NYC subway stations were built between 80-120 years ago, when no one thought about ventilation, let alone air conditioning. No one has come up with any affordable plan for installation or operation (the greater expense) for AC, which wouldn't double the current fare of $2.75, Unlimited Ride MetroCard 30-Day fare $121.00, single ride tickets $3. The system carries about + million riders daily. That much of a fare increase would cause a violent revolution by grandmothers that would lead to the assassination of every NY politician by frying pan. Commuter support would be unanimous.

Replacement for the remaining R32 cars is scheduled for late 2019, as well as a fleet increase of more than 4k cars over the next two years. The NYC subway operates 24/7 every day of the year.

Suggesting any politician, including Nixon, is honest, is tantamount to an admission of mental illness or greasy palm.
 
Suggesting any politician, including Nixon, is honest, is tantamount to an admission of mental illness or greasy palm.

I agree the state of the subways is largely a product of other factors that can only be generally affected by the governor (allocation of funding and the bully pulpit/political pressure for example).

However, what particularly interests me about Nixon is her stance on income inequality, reversing cuts, and above all, her focus on small contributions, and exclusion of monied interests/big donors/superPACs from her fundraising/campaigning; the latter may not be a guarantee of honesty, but it's the damned closest thing you can get to one: that a politican will be representative of their constituents rather than a tiny minority of corporations/ultrawealthy individuals: Cynthia Nixon says she had more small donors in one day than Cuomo in seven years | PolitiFact New York

Cuomo is definitely your typical bought establishment politico by contrast.
 
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I agree the state of the subways is largely a product of other factors that can only be generally affected by the governor (allocation of funding and the bully pulpit/political pressure for example).

However, what particularly interests me about Nixon is her stance on income inequality, reversing cuts, and above all, her focus on small contributions, and exclusion of monied interests/big donors/superPACs from her fundraising/campaigning; the latter may not be a guarantee of honesty, but it's the damned closest thing you can get to one: that a politican will be representative of their constituents rather than a tiny minority of corporations/ultrawealthy individuals: Cynthia Nixon says she had more small donors in one day than Cuomo in seven years | PolitiFact New York

Cuomo is definitely your typical bought establishment politico by contrast.

I'm not arguing with her views or stances. I still don't believe she has a shot at winning the primary. Maybe after she learns the landscape, in another election. If she ran for mayor, she could easily beat DeBlasio or his wife, Charlene.
 
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