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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    True. The Constitutional right kicks in earlier.
    it kicks in at the point where you don't have the right to make other kids sick because you fall for unscientific internet BS.

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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You were politely asked to specify those Constitutional protections already. Now you refer to them again, without specifing which and how.

    It seems that rather than explain your responses, you prefer to pretend like it's too complex to do so and so drop the discussion. That seems like an odd attitude on a discussion forum.
    I believe that I pointed out that you cannot be interested or are willfully ignoring the issues involved. In either case, it is uninteresting to discuss it with you.

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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I believe that I pointed out that you cannot be interested or are willfully ignoring the issues involved. In either case, it is uninteresting to discuss it with you.
    And why would you assume the bold since I have clearly articulated direct, relevant questions to you based word for word on your responses?

    If you are disinterested in discussing the subject itself, then why did you post at all?
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That might be alright for private schools. For public schools such a restriction would require catastrophic circumstances or a change to the Constitution I should think.
    There is no Constitutional issue since schools are run by the states. While the Bill of Rights is incorporated against the states there's nothing there that would prohibit a state from mandating vaccinations for public school admission. In fact I'd think the 10th amendment gives the states the power to do so.

    To the OP I'm all for people deciding to not vaccinating their children provided they are home schooled and have no contact with other children or the old and inform unless those people agree to have contact with an vaccinated child.
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That forced vaccinations should be illegal.

    That taxes should be reduced for parents that do not vaccinate and are not allowed to send their kids to school.

    That other people mind their own business...
    Sorry but public school children's health is everyone's business. Everyone being vaccinated is why it works.
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by emilymariee View Post
    According to the Massachusetts Legislature, children must be vaccinated against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, and poliomyelitis before entering school unless there is some endangering reason to the child why they cannot have the vaccination. Many believe this should continue to stay a law, but in the past 20 years, this has been a question if this should stay a law as more and more parents are against vaccinating their children.

    What are your thoughts?
    Yes, absolutely.

    The fact is, shoving 1,000 children into a small building is an enormous disease risk, and was a major reason why people often didn't survive childhood before vaccines.

    I am aware anti-vaxxers are mad about it, but this is not a "freedom of choice" issue. It is not the anti-vaxxers who will die of measles from taking a gamble on not vaccinating their child. It is the non-consenting child. This is not an "it's not natural" issue. It's not natural to shove 1,000 children into a small building either, and it causes an unnatural level of risk.

    People who are against vaccination are suffering under a delusion created by their lack of contact with either science, or these diseases, and their cushy, sheltered lives. As someone who is both scientifically literate, and whose grandmother suffered for the rest of her life due to the aftershocks of a disease we now vaccinate for, I am under no such delusions. Anti-science quackery should not mean that parents get to kill their children, or other people's children.

    Be a quack all you like. But if you're going to do that, then you can keep your child at home and teach them there. You don't get to put other children at risk.
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Sorry but public school children's health is everyone's business. Everyone being vaccinated is why it works.
    Not really. Vaccinations don't always work. They can also wear off. Some kids can't. Some kids are harmed by them. Some kids almost die. Some do die.
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it kicks in at the point where you don't have the right to make other kids sick because you fall for unscientific internet BS.
    https://vaers.hhs.gov

    This is not unscientific internet BS.
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    No vaccinations then no school should be our policy, and not educating your kids is a criminal matter.
    The American Left never had the right to try to control minds or conversations.... that is abuse....and it has to be over.
    Be not cruel, attempt to listen, and dont lie.....Civility Demands
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    Re: Vaccinations before School??

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not really. Vaccinations don't always work. They can also wear off. Some kids can't. Some kids are harmed by them. Some kids almost die. Some do die.
    No one ever said vaccinations always work. No vaccinations are 100% and that claim is never made. All those things are considered. They've been the case since the 60's and the communicable disease rates and deaths in school age children has been drastically reduced.

    It's the 'prevalence' of immunization that reduces the risks to public health, not the complete compliance.
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