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Vaccinations before School??

emilymariee said:
According to the Massachusetts Legislature, children must be vaccinated against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, and poliomyelitis before entering school unless there is some endangering reason to the child why they cannot have the vaccination. Many believe this should continue to stay a law, but in the past 20 years, this has been a question if this should stay a law as more and more parents are against vaccinating their children.

What are your thoughts?
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Yes, absolutely.

The fact is, shoving 1,000 children into a small building is an enormous disease risk, and was a major reason why people often didn't survive childhood before vaccines.

I am aware anti-vaxxers are mad about it, but this is not a "freedom of choice" issue. It is not the anti-vaxxers who will die of measles from taking a gamble on not vaccinating their child. It is the non-consenting child. This is not an "it's not natural" issue. It's not natural to shove 1,000 children into a small building either, and it causes an unnatural level of risk.

People who are against vaccination are suffering under a delusion created by their lack of contact with either science, or these diseases, and their cushy, sheltered lives. As someone who is both scientifically literate, and whose grandmother suffered for the rest of her life due to the aftershocks of a disease we now vaccinate for, I am under no such delusions. Anti-science quackery should not mean that parents get to kill their children, or other people's children.

Be a quack all you like. But if you're going to do that, then you can keep your child at home and teach them there. You don't get to put other children at risk.
 
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Hari Seldon said:
Sorry but public school children's health is everyone's business. Everyone being vaccinated is why it works.
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Not really. Vaccinations don't always work. They can also wear off. Some kids can't. Some kids are harmed by them. Some kids almost die. Some do die.
 
No vaccinations then no school should be our policy, and not educating your kids is a criminal matter.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Not really. Vaccinations don't always work. They can also wear off. Some kids can't. Some kids are harmed by them. Some kids almost die. Some do die.
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No one ever said vaccinations always work. No vaccinations are 100% and that claim is never made. All those things are considered. They've been the case since the 60's and the communicable disease rates and deaths in school age children has been drastically reduced.

It's the 'prevalence' of immunization that reduces the risks to public health, not the complete compliance.
 
emilymariee said:
According to the Massachusetts Legislature, children must be vaccinated against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, and poliomyelitis before entering school unless there is some endangering reason to the child why they cannot have the vaccination. Many believe this should continue to stay a law, but in the past 20 years, this has been a question if this should stay a law as more and more parents are against vaccinating their children.

What are your thoughts?
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It should be a law. I don't want my kid to go to a school with a bunch of kids whose parents refuse to get them life-saving vaccinations. It has been proven that vaccines do not cause autism, and if you are one of the people who refuse to vaccinate due to religion, then keep your kids at home for the same reason.
 
Lursa said:
No one ever said vaccinations always work. No vaccinations are 100% and that claim is never made. All those things are considered. They've been the case since the 60's and the communicable disease rates and deaths in school age children has been drastically reduced.

It's the 'prevalence' of immunization that reduces the risks to public health, not the complete compliance.
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I never said that somebody said that vaccinations always work.

I pointed out a flaw in the argument.
 
Superfly said:
It should be a law. I don't want my kid to go to a school with a bunch of kids whose parents refuse to get them life-saving vaccinations. It has been proven that vaccines do not cause autism, and if you are one of the people who refuse to vaccinate due to religion, then keep your kids at home for the same reason.
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Vaccines can be life ending for some...
 
Bodhisattva said:
I never said that somebody said that vaccinations always work.

I pointed out a flaw in the argument.
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The implication seemed to be that that was one justification for not getting a child vaccinated.
 
Bodhisattva said:
yes you do...

School Immunizations

1.3% of Mass students have exemptions.
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My point is that you shouldn't, assuming that you don't have a medical issue with contradicts them. Such medical issues are rare enough that herd immunity will protect these individuals, however.

Incidentally, that is another reason why exemptions due to quackery should never be permitted. The vast majority of students being vaccinated is what protects the ones who can't be from contracting these diseases.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Vaccines can be life ending for some...
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So can getting on the school bus or in a car riding or walking to school everyday and the risks are higher for the kid dying from that.

But at least in that case (very sadly for the child of course,) they arent endangering others with the parent's choice of transportation.
 
joG said:
That might be alright for private schools. For public schools such a restriction would require catastrophic circumstances or a change to the Constitution I should think.
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:lol: The catastropic circumstances come with not vaccinating your children.

Don't you remember the polio scare?
 
Lursa said:
The implication seemed to be that that was one justification for not getting a child vaccinated.
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Nope. He said everybody being vaccinated is why it works. I pointed out that was incorrect.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Nowhere in the constitution does it say you have a right to put children in danger because you are a moron.
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But.. but.. Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey told them that vaccines are eeeeevil and they cause autism! I mean, surely a washed up playboy bunny and a mediocre "comedian" have to know more than doctors, right?
 
Lursa said:
So can getting on the school bus or in a car riding or walking to school everyday and the risks are higher for the kid dying from that.
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Which backs my stance... life isn't fair. Mind your own business.
(General sense)
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
My point is that you shouldn't, assuming that you don't have a medical issue with contradicts them. Such medical issues are rare enough that herd immunity will protect these individuals, however.

Incidentally, that is another reason why exemptions due to quackery should never be permitted. The vast majority of students being vaccinated is what protects the ones who can't be from contracting these diseases.
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Exactly, and that's why I posted consulting with your pediatrician first. If your child has allergy or immune system issues, etc, then they likely wont recommend it **and** your child will benefit from the herd immunity of the majority of others that were vaccinated.
 
joG said:
I believe that I pointed out that you cannot be interested or are willfully ignoring the issues involved. In either case, it is uninteresting to discuss it with you.
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dude, she's asked you like four times what you mean.

Just answer her, or admit you don't know what you are talking about, and walk away.

Or keep digging your hole. :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Which backs my stance... life isn't fair. Mind your own business.
(General sense)
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Well no. If a large # of parents decide not to vaccinate their kids...it is everybody's business, since the key issue with communicable diseases is they are 'communicable.'
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
My point is that you shouldn't, assuming that you don't have a medical issue with contradicts them. Such medical issues are rare enough that herd immunity will protect these individuals, however.

Incidentally, that is another reason why exemptions due to quackery should never be permitted. The vast majority of students being vaccinated is what protects the ones who can't be from contracting these diseases.
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So what. School or grocery shopping we come into contact with sick/diseased people every day. Mandating forced vaccinations is Nazi-like fascism.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Vaccines can be life ending for some...
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A lot of things can be life ending for some. You can't put thousands of kids at risk over something that is managable.

Vaccination is managable. If you don't want your child vaccinated, keep them at home.
 
Lursa said:
Well no. If a large # of parents decide not to vaccinate their kids...it is everybody's business, since the key issue with communicable diseases is they are 'communicable.'
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Then get your kid vaccinated and hope it works... problem solved unless you hit a life ain't fair square.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So what. School or grocery shopping we come into contact with sick/diseased people every day. Mandating forced vaccinations is Nazi-like fascism.
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Yes we do and once again you illustrate why the more people vaccinated, the lower the risks to general public health. You keep reinforcing my point, which I appreciate. Yet you seem not to.

And no one is forcing the kids to get vaccinations. If parents choose not to, their kids just cant go to public school....the parents can just make other educational arrangements for their kids.
 
Superfly said:
A lot of things can be life ending for some. You can't put thousands of kids at risk over something that is managable.

Vaccination is managable. If you don't want your child vaccinated, keep them at home.
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Naw. Send them to school. Thousands of kids are vaccinated... not un-vaccinated.
 
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