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    LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    This is certainly an interesting case. Can a dog be pardoned, can a judge overturn a pardon, and what does it mean for the future of human pardons in Maine?

    Just weeks after Maine Governor Paul LePage granted a full pardon to a dog, a district court has overturned the decision and ordered the Siberian husky named Dakota to be euthanized.
    https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/lawy...161654399.html

    The ruling has been appealed the the Maine Supreme Court so the dog is safe until then, and apparently this isn't even the first time the Maine Supreme Court has heard a case regarding a dog pardon.

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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    I've never even heard of a pardon being overturned before. Much less a pardon being used on a dog. But being that LePage issued the pardon in reference to a state law being violated, not a federal one, I can't see why he's not well within his rights as Governor of Main to give a pardon to the dog. Not sure why the court would use the excuse that's quoted in the article to overturn the pardon. Pardons are for such things.

    As far as I know a governor can't pardon federal crimes and a President can't pardon state crimes. If that was done then I can see it being overturned (and probably has happened) but as is? I just don't see why the judge thinks she can overrule it.
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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've never even heard of a pardon being overturned before. Much less a pardon being used on a dog. But being that LePage issued the pardon in reference to a state law being violated, not a federal one, I can't see why he's not well within his rights as Governor of Main to give a pardon to the dog. Not sure why the court would use the excuse that's quoted in the article to overturn the pardon. Pardons are for such things.

    As far as I know a governor can't pardon federal crimes and a President can't pardon state crimes. If that was done then I can see it being overturned (and probably has happened) but as is? I just don't see why the judge thinks she can overrule it.
    Has a presidential pardon ever been issued for a state crime and challenged in court?
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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Has a presidential pardon ever been issued for a state crime and challenged in court?
    No idea. Pardons aren't my forte. Beyond what I stated in my post I know bupkis.
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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    This is certainly an interesting case. Can a dog be pardoned, can a judge overturn a pardon, and what does it mean for the future of human pardons in Maine?



    https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/lawy...161654399.html

    The ruling has been appealed the the Maine Supreme Court so the dog is safe until then, and apparently this isn't even the first time the Maine Supreme Court has heard a case regarding a dog pardon.
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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    This is certainly an interesting case. Can a dog be pardoned, can a judge overturn a pardon, and what does it mean for the future of human pardons in Maine?



    https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/lawy...161654399.html

    The ruling has been appealed the the Maine Supreme Court so the dog is safe until then, and apparently this isn't even the first time the Maine Supreme Court has heard a case regarding a dog pardon.
    I hope we are talking the rights of the owner and not about bestowing a right to live on the animal.

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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Has a presidential pardon ever been issued for a state crime and challenged in court?
    The president only has pardon authority over federal crimes.

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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No idea. Pardons aren't my forte. Beyond what I stated in my post I know bupkis.
    I too, know nothing about pardons but my understanding is that pardons are for crimes and dogs can not commit crimes. I assume this was a civil action taken in response to a civil violation so I do not understand how it can be subject to a pardon
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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Wait? I thought only pit bulls bit people?

    Seriously though. This is an interesting topic.


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    Re: LePage pardons dog, judge over rules it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've never even heard of a pardon being overturned before. Much less a pardon being used on a dog. But being that LePage issued the pardon in reference to a state law being violated, not a federal one, I can't see why he's not well within his rights as Governor of Main to give a pardon to the dog. Not sure why the court would use the excuse that's quoted in the article to overturn the pardon. Pardons are for such things.

    As far as I know a governor can't pardon federal crimes and a President can't pardon state crimes. If that was done then I can see it being overturned (and probably has happened) but as is? I just don't see why the judge thinks she can overrule it.
    From a legal point of view, I think you're dead on. The only caveat being that I would have to see and read the Constitution of the State of Maine to see if the power to pardon is a plenary power of the executive (as it is for the President on the federal level), and if it is, then the court has no ability to overturn it and the state Supreme Court should rule as such.
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