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Stein's push to request a recount in Pennsylvania

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I notice this forum is rarely used, but I thought I would post this thread here anyway.

I'm curious what opinions people have regarding this idea that Jill Stein has to push for a voter recount in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Washington states.
This thread is mainly for Pennsylvania, as I live there and am most interested in that.

Personally, I'm wondering if the effort will draw some attention to what I consider...questionable...voting systems in PA - I read somewhere that about 80% of voters in PA vote on DRE machines (which have no paper trail).

An article I found while looking into this: Pennsylvania Recount Filed: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
 
I notice this forum is rarely used, but I thought I would post this thread here anyway.

I'm curious what opinions people have regarding this idea that Jill Stein has to push for a voter recount in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Washington states.
This thread is mainly for Pennsylvania, as I live there and am most interested in that.

Personally, I'm wondering if the effort will draw some attention to what I consider...questionable...voting systems in PA - I read somewhere that about 80% of voters in PA vote on DRE machines (which have no paper trail).

An article I found while looking into this: Pennsylvania Recount Filed: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
If Stein were sincere in her efforts she's be voting recounts in pretty much every state. But she's only requesting states where Trump won narrowly, excluding Washington which I haven't seen yet. We all know that the voting systems are weird, many not having paper trails. It just makes her look like she's acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
 
I notice this forum is rarely used, but I thought I would post this thread here anyway.

I'm curious what opinions people have regarding this idea that Jill Stein has to push for a voter recount in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Washington states.
This thread is mainly for Pennsylvania, as I live there and am most interested in that.

Personally, I'm wondering if the effort will draw some attention to what I consider...questionable...voting systems in PA - I read somewhere that about 80% of voters in PA vote on DRE machines (which have no paper trail).

An article I found while looking into this: Pennsylvania Recount Filed: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Well, according to the Pennsylvania Election Summary Pennsylvania Elections - Summary Results

Trump 2,934,583

Clinton 2,863,945

A difference of 70,638 votes in Trump's favor. There would have to be a hellavalot of errors to drop that number to a point questioning Trump's win in PA.
 
I think it probably has something to with trying to mess with state electors come time for them to cast their ballots.

She's a total hypocrite doing this only to Trump states he won by a small margin and ignoring Clinton ones.
 
If Stein were sincere in her efforts she's be voting recounts in pretty much every state. But she's only requesting states where Trump won narrowly, excluding Washington which I haven't seen yet. We all know that the voting systems are weird, many not having paper trails. It just makes her look like she's acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
Sorry, I was operating off memory and replaced Wisconsin with Washington

It's Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin where they are trying to call a recount.
 
Well, according to the Pennsylvania Election Summary Pennsylvania Elections - Summary Results

Trump 2,934,583

Clinton 2,863,945

A difference of 70,638 votes in Trump's favor. There would have to be a hellavalot of errors to drop that number to a point questioning Trump's win in PA.
Exactly.

Which is why even if they could it would have to uncover some ridiculous level of problems to make a difference.
I'm mainly hoping that if it gets some kind of traction it will make people consider the quality of the voting machines in PA and possibly improve it. But that's a slim hope.
 
Sorry, I was operating off memory and replaced Wisconsin with Washington

It's Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin where they are trying to call a recount.

I'm from Michigan.. I'm pretty nervous that the left is trying to pull some sort of slick move..
 
I notice this forum is rarely used, but I thought I would post this thread here anyway.

I'm curious what opinions people have regarding this idea that Jill Stein has to push for a voter recount in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Washington states.
This thread is mainly for Pennsylvania, as I live there and am most interested in that.

Personally, I'm wondering if the effort will draw some attention to what I consider...questionable...voting systems in PA - I read somewhere that about 80% of voters in PA vote on DRE machines (which have no paper trail).

An article I found while looking into this: Pennsylvania Recount Filed: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Too bad she is not interested in Washington State.

That would interest me as we are almost 100% vote by mail here, and I took lightly her claim to care about voter fraud.
 
Too bad she is not interested in Washington State.

That would interest me as we are almost 100% vote by mail here, and I took lightly her claim to care about voter fraud.


Especially since that mass shooting in Burlington blew open the fact that non citizens can register and vote and state law prohibits elections officials from verifying eligibility
 
Especially since that mass shooting in Burlington blew open the fact that non citizens can register and vote and state law prohibits elections officials from verifying eligibility

I did not see that but that sort of thing is what I am saying that I would expect after watching people for 55 years....

And then we get told that the idea that tens of thousands or millions of illegals vote is so far into fantasy that no one needs to check.
 
If Stein were sincere in her efforts she's be voting recounts in pretty much every state. But she's only requesting states where Trump won narrowly, excluding Washington which I haven't seen yet. We all know that the voting systems are weird, many not having paper trails. It just makes her look like she's acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

Of course, she is - you wouldn't expect any amount of extra money or free publicity to help get Trump voters to consider switching to support Stein (or the Greeen Party) in the future. The best chance (yet still slim to none) for a recount to change the EC result of a state would have been in NH.
 
I think it probably has something to with trying to mess with state electors come time for them to cast their ballots.

She's a total hypocrite doing this only to Trump states he won by a small margin and ignoring Clinton ones.

Yup, that's what I've read. The whole thing is about stopping electors from voting.
 
Too bad she is not interested in Washington State.

That would interest me as we are almost 100% vote by mail here, and I took lightly her claim to care about voter fraud.
Sorry about that, I was operating off memory when I wrote the OP and replaced Wisconsin with Washington.
 
If Stein were sincere in her efforts she's be voting recounts in pretty much every state. But she's only requesting states where Trump won narrowly, excluding Washington which I haven't seen yet. We all know that the voting systems are weird, many not having paper trails. It just makes her look like she's acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton.

Ya think? Stein raised more money in hourly increments of $170,000/hour, on Thanksgiving day, than she raised during her entire campaign. Must have been one helluva bake sale.
 
Sorry about that, I was operating off memory when I wrote the OP and replaced Wisconsin with Washington.

You got me to look.....thought maybe I had missed something important in the news.....

Ya, I dont think she gives a damn about voter fraud.

There would be an internet record if she did.

Going back years or really decades.

She is a very old bird. *rhetorical flourish...not intended to be assumed negative connotation*
 
she filed a lawsuit in response to try and force it.
it won't go anywhere but she still did it.

she also filed another suit in WI when they refused to do a hand count.

which means she is simply trying to delay the EC vote.
how unethical can a party get and Clinton is right on her heels.

Clinton isn't just on her heels, she's leading the charge. There is no other reasonable explanation. A setup from the gitgo.
 
Clinton isn't just on her heels, she's leading the charge. There is no other reasonable explanation. A setup from the gitgo.

At this point the charge is over. Since Jill Stein failed to file for a PA re-count by thr deadline, even if Michican and Wisconsin get overturned, Trump still has 280 electoral votes.
 
From Stein's website:

If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform. This is what we did with our surplus in 2004. https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

Hmmm, what reforms does she mean? Let me guess--she doesn't mean voter ID. ;)
 
Clinton isn't just on her heels, she's leading the charge. There is no other reasonable explanation. A setup from the gitgo.

I just saw an article questioning why Hillary would risk her get out of jail free card.
trump is not a guy easily slighted and if he had thoughts about not going after her

she just threw that out the window with this stunt.
 
From Stein's website:

If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform. This is what we did with our surplus in 2004. https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

Hmmm, what reforms does she mean? Let me guess--she doesn't mean voter ID. ;)

trying to over turn the constitution is what she means.
 
I really hope you're wrong.
 
From Stein's website:

If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform. This is what we did with our surplus in 2004. https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

Hmmm, what reforms does she mean? Let me guess--she doesn't mean voter ID. ;)
Personally, I'd like the voter registration/identification system to work something like the following:

All citizens are eligible to vote, no registration needed. Ideally, party-specific registration for primaries is no longer used, instead:

At least a month before the first primary, every citizen eligible to vote would be sent an ID card. This ID card is specific to the voting machine system used (would require all voting machines in state to be identical, or at least all accept the ID card format), and can only be used in one election cycle (once for primary, once for election).

This eliminates issues with people forgetting to register, or issues with the records of such.
Since the ID card would only allow voting in one primary, you could set the voting machine/system to allow only one party's ballot, to prevent someone voting in both (unless there's an open primary...primaries are different state to state, damnit).

Or...something like that.

If you made the ID also a photo ID, it could be compared to the face of the person presenting it at the polls, to prevent voter fraud in that way.

And the downsides are that everyone would need to remember their voter card.
OR a system in place to accept mail-in voter cards, if you some how combined them with ballots.




But ideals and reality do not often match.

Damnit.
 
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