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Kylie Jenner to be 'youngest self-made US billionaire'

Much as I hate to, guess I'll have to go with Oprah.
 
Kobie said:
That too. Nobody’s buying cosmetics from Kylie Kowalski.
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There are people who buy from small independent cosmetics companies. They just don't have the odds for them to be an immediate success like Kylie Jenner even if their products are amazing. It will take a lot longer and more money spent on their part to make it in the world.
 
ecofarm said:
I see. We're doing the "only count definition 1a, not 1b, 2a and 3 is right out". Yeah, you go with that. Real robust and intellectually satisfying. Lowest common denominator is really the only way to explore something.

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I stated that "self-made" in this context is talking about how she wasn't just handed a billion dollars from a dead relative. You posted a link that backed up my assertion. Now you're upset that I use the very definition that you posted a link to. I've never said that she never had extreme privileges that others simply don't. I'm just pointing out what they likely meant when they said "self-made". If you want to point to anything I've said that is wrong please do so because I'd love to be corrected. But I don't see how you are going to do that because I'm making very simple and obvious points.
 
Sykes said:
Oh bull****.
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So you are saying that "being born to a family that had a dairy farm and the means to send hi to a foreign country for education" falls in to the category of "completely unaided"?

We aren't arguing about the levels of privilege here. My point is that everyone at some point had some kind of help. Whether it's family, a government grant for education, a really good employee, mentor or in this case, a family name that damn near prints money. I just don't know why I should hate this girl for taking advantage of that.
 
Sykes said:
Self-made means having succeeded in life unaided.

Used in a sentence: Forbes says that Kylie Jenner is a self-made woman.

Self-made | Define Self-made at Dictionary.com
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by that definition, nobody is really self made. Unless they did everything in the woods, totally by themselves, they weren't unaided. Loans, business partners, investors, nobody does it all by themselves
 
<alt>doxygen said:
She used her name, and her money, to make more money. Kinda like Trump...

It's a lot easier to get home when you're born on 3rd base. Having the money and time to have numerous plastic surgery procedures helps when you're selling your face and body (image).
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I agree that having money at birth gives you an advantage, but there are no absolutes. Just because you're born with a silver spoon in your mouth doesn't mean that you'll be successful. And trust me, I'm no fan of the kardash broads.
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44802123



My overall disgust for all things Kardashian/Jenner should be no secret to anyone here.

Check off another thing that just galls my stones, calling anything Kylie does "self made".

What an absolute, outright in-your-face insult to anyone in the "real world" who is actually self-made.

Would you agree?
Do you consider Kylie's business success to be "self-made"?
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What did she contribute to the project in addition to deciding that she wanted a cosmetic line in her brand and then teaming up with a company that could provide product?

Usually in these cases all they do is pick which company to go with and make some generally inconsequential choices from a short list of options presented by the supplier.

That and they have a say in the marketing plan.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So what if she did have advantages other others don't? She made the choice to get up off her ass and do something. She could have sat on her ass and not make the money that she has made and instead kept at the level that she was at before her name became something.
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I personally certainly don't begrudge her her success, and would readily congratulate her. It's amazing. But what makes me uncomfortable is the worldview that sees all success or failure as due to the person themselves. Obama got a firestorm of controversy when he said "you didn't build that yourself". But he had a point.

The problem is that this worldview also blames all failure on the person themselves as well. For example, if a kid is born to a broken, drug infested inner city home with crime-ridden crappy schools, then that is not taken into consideration. They just compare that person directly to Kylie Jenner, and then say that he is stupid and lazy and that's why he's not doing as well. It's just a very unfair and unjust way to judge people. It also leads to some horrific policy decisions, like that society should have no obligation to help him, and if he is just left to die on the street, that's his own fault for being so stupid and lazy.
 
ataraxia said:
I personally certainly don't begrudge her her success, and would readily congratulate her. It's amazing. But what makes me uncomfortable is the worldview that sees all success or failure as due to the person themselves. Obama got a firestorm of controversy when he said "you didn't build that yourself". But he had a point.

The problem is that this worldview also blames all failure on the person themselves as well. For example, if a kid is born to a broken, drug infested inner city home with crime-ridden crappy schools, then that is not taken into consideration. They just compare that person directly to Kylie Jenner, and then say that he is stupid and lazy and that's why he's not doing as well. It's just a very unfair and unjust way to judge people. It also leads to some horrific policy decisions, like that society should have no obligation to help him, and if he is just left to die on the street, that's his own fault for being so stupid and lazy.
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That's because for the most part, barring certain exceptions, whether a person succeeds or does not succeed is entirely dependent on themselves. Their choices in life determine how successful they are. Yes, there is a limit to how much one can succeed in life that is more often than not determined by how their life started. But that does not mean that they cannot ever do the best that they can. Anyone that tries their best and learns from their mistakes are never stupid. And there are varying degree's of "success" which include far more than just "amount of money one currently has". Yeah, anyone that is materialistic would judge a person based entirely on how much money that person has.

Personally I think that if that kid that you talk about in your post only succeeded in getting away from that drug infested inner city and raised their kids to be good people then I would say that person was quite successful. Hell, I'd consider them successful even if they didn't get out of that area yet still managed to raise their kids to be good people.

There is far more to life than just money. Yes, it helps, but its not the end all be all. And certainly not the end all be all of of a persons character.
 
Kal'Stang said:
That's because for the most part, barring certain exceptions, whether a person succeeds or does not succeed is entirely dependent on themselves. Their choices in life determine how successful they are. Yes, there is a limit to how much one can succeed in life that is more often than not determined by how their life started. But that does not mean that they cannot ever do the best that they can. Anyone that tries their best and learns from their mistakes are never stupid. And there are varying degree's of "success" which include far more than just "amount of money one currently has". Yeah, anyone that is materialistic would judge a person based entirely on how much money that person has.

Personally I think that if that kid that you talk about in your post only succeeded in getting away from that drug infested inner city and raised their kids to be good people then I would say that person was quite successful. Hell, I'd consider them successful even if they didn't get out of that area yet still managed to raise their kids to be good people.

There is far more to life than just money. Yes, it helps, but its not the end all be all. And certainly not the end all be all of of a persons character.
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But you're not making threads celebrating that person as being this great, self made American success story, are you?

Instead, you're glorifying someone for whom the ONLY reason we are talking about her is because she ****ed a rapper on camera, and it went viral.
 
I'll quote a line from "Horrible Bosses 2".


"Hard work doesn't generate wealth! Wealth generates wealth, lol!"
 
KevinKohler said:
But you're not making threads celebrating that person as being this great, self made American success story, are you?

Instead, you're glorifying someone for whom the ONLY reason we are talking about her is because she ****ed a rapper on camera, and it went viral.
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Yes. As soon as the injustice of this way of judging how successful people are gets called out, it stops being about the money and just about how good a person they are.

That is, of course, if they hit hard times and lose their home or health insurance. Then they, and their whole family, deserve to be left out on the street to die until they learn to work harder next time.
 
KevinKohler said:
But you're not making threads celebrating that person as being this great, self made American success story, are you?

Instead, you're glorifying someone for whom the ONLY reason we are talking about her is because she ****ed a rapper on camera, and it went viral.
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I didn't make this thread. :shrug: In fact I don't make such threads period.

In any case so what? Celebrities are always going to get more attention than joe blow down the street. That is literally what being a celebrity is all about. And changes nothing of what I said in the post you quoted.
 
Not Self-made. At the end of the day she was already wealthy and well connected which no doubt contributed to her financial success. Good on her for reaching those heights but it just doesn't compare to someone starting from the bottom with pretty much nothing and working their way up to almost a billion dollars.
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44802123



My overall disgust for all things Kardashian/Jenner should be no secret to anyone here.

Check off another thing that just galls my stones, calling anything Kylie does "self made".

What an absolute, outright in-your-face insult to anyone in the "real world" who is actually self-made.

Would you agree?
Do you consider Kylie's business success to be "self-made"?
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I don't consider anything that family has done to be "self-made." One of them got famous for a sex tape, and then unfortunately, the rest of them were thrust upon us, whether we liked it or not.
 
Dragonfly said:
Kinda negates the "self-made" part then doesn't it?
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Kal'Stang said:
Nope. Names are actually the corner stone for any business.
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That's avoiding the point, which was that if Grandfather starts a business and then grandson comes along to take it over, the grandson cannot very well be considered "self-made". That doesn't mean the grandson never did any work. It just reflects that they are taking on a mantle someone else created and using it to help themselves.





Dragonfly said:
Would you also consider Ivanka Trump's success in life to be "self-made"?
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Kal'Stang said:
Yes.
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Self-made? So she was booted from the house at 18 with only the clothes on her back and clawed her way up all by herself? Did she make it out of a ghetto from humble beginnings and succeed in the world? No.

You're using a definition of "self-made" that you made up for yourself because....





That or it's just vicarious defensiveness.
 
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a22024423/kylie-jenner-gofundme-billionaire/

Josh Ostrovsky, a.k.a The Fat Jewish, decided to create a GoFundMe fundraiser for Jenner so that she could take her net worth from $900 million to $1 billion without having to wait a year.

"Kylie Jenner was on the cover of Forbes Magazine today for having a net worth of 900 million dollars, which is heartbreaking. I don't want to live in a world where Kylie Jenner doesn't have a billion dollars. WE MUST RAISE 100 MILLION DOLLARS TO HELP HER GET TO A BILLION, PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD, THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. LINK IN BIO TO DONATE," he captioned his Instagram post.
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holy jumpin jesus on toast....can you believe this?
And people are donating???? :shock:

How stupid can some people be?

There's a sickness in this world for sure.
 
itsforthekids said:
She used her name. She was industrious. She was smart. Yes, she earned it.
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Yeah, but for ANYONE who was thrust into her truly privileged position, it requires zero effort, zero intelligence, zero motivation to become super-rich. Literally all it took was for countless already-successful businesses to offer her HUGE profits, simply by signing on a dotted line, on a piece of contract paper! She doesn't REALLY have to do anything. They will likely already have fashion designers on board to ensure the designs and scents are at least semi-desirable and marketable.

From there, Kiley Jenner becomes yet another socialite who made crap-tons of money by doing next to nothing! Even as a conservative, I see very little here to applaud or praise.
 
The only country where you can be famous for being famous. ****ing hell I hate our celebrity worship.




That family is emblematic of so very many things wrong with our priorities over here...
 
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