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Kylie Jenner to be 'youngest self-made US billionaire'

RetiredUSN said:
I used skills learned from old time craftsmen and tradesmen and turned around started a small business off of the knowledge I have gained from them.

If you really want to pick nits...………..nobody is truly self made when it comes right down to it.

We copy, mimic, and reference as we grow.
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No need to pick nits here.

One climber starts to climb Mt. Everest from the very bottom of the mountain.
Another is given a helicopter ride to the upper-most basecamp just before the summit.

Both make it to the top.
Both can say they've stood on top of Mt. Everest.
Both can say they climbed Mt. Everest.

Did both accomplish the same task?
Apparently some here say yes.
I say no.
 
We seem to be quibbling over “self-made” just because we are talking about Kylie Jenner.

Being able to capitalize on a name but still end up working hard to a successful conclusion does not necessarily negate the self-made part. The argument misses the point, she is still successful.

As the OP article points out, the cosmetic company she entirely owns has a value close to $800 billion and she figured out a way to do that inside of 3 years. Did the name help? Absolutely. Is the name the only reason for it? Absolutely not. Marketing, development, online only business model, etc. it all went into the mix propelling her net worth well above other names on the same reality show. Sure, it is “extreme fame leverage” but it takes something more than that as that article point out.

At the end of the day if someone can take a name and damn near make themselves a billionaire before 21 with a 3 year old business model, I’m impressed.

We may not like her, we may not like the others on these shows that created the fame, we may not like any number of things about all this but the stats are still impressive on what a 3 year old company became.
 
Dragonfly said:
Injected, plastic surgery, implanted booty.
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No doubt. Hanging with skanky Rappers doesn't make her any more lovely.

I, in no way admire these people but, they are making that money.
 
Who would agree that Dr Ben Carson is self-made?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yeah sure, she'd still have a couple million. But she has far more than that now, thanks to her not sitting on her butt.
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Yeah, I'm sure she had to work really hard to persuade stores to stock and advertise her make-up range.
 
Aristaeus said:
Yeah, I'm sure she had to work really hard to persuade stores to stock and advertise her make-up range.
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She no doubt did work hard. Believe it or not stores are not going to risk their customer base on products that might hurt them just because some famous persons name is on the label.
 
Kal'Stang said:
She no doubt did work hard. Believe it or not stores are not going to risk their customer base on products that might hurt them just because some famous persons name is on the label.
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Oh please. Major stores were probably lining up trying to get a deal. Jenner probably had someone else doing the deals anyway. You think she personally negotiated with the stores? lol.

I'm not begrudging her the money, but to think it's self-made is extremely naive.
 
I think having many, many millions in seed money laying around for her to use to embark on business ventures kinda blows up the whole “self-made” idea.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes, we apparently do. For me anyone that is self made is someone who doesn't sit on their butts all day and because of that makes more money than they had starting out.
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Huh? That's everyone who works for money. Your definition of self-made is weird.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nope, not everyone. You think most poor people actually make more money than they started out with?
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Everyone who goes to work in the morning ends up with more money than they did at the start of the day. Regardless, that's a weird definition of self-made.
 
Aristaeus said:
Everyone who goes to work in the morning ends up with more money than they did at the start of the day. Regardless, that's a weird definition of self-made.
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But does everyone keep and expand on that money over an extended period of time? Like Kylie Jenner has.
 
Kal'Stang said:
But does everyone keep and expand on that money over an extended period of time? Like Kylie Jenner has.
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Expanding money does not make you self-made. It's not self-made when you are already a famous person with many millions due to your family, an established make-up company signs you up, you have major stores queueing to stock your product because of your famous family, and your name generates huge amount of publicity.

The fact that her make-up products generated a $420 million revenue in the first 18 months tells you that this is about celebrity not hard work.
 
Dragonfly said:
No need to pick nits here.

One climber starts to climb Mt. Everest from the very bottom of the mountain.
Another is given a helicopter ride to the upper-most basecamp just before the summit.

Both make it to the top.
Both can say they've stood on top of Mt. Everest.
Both can say they climbed Mt. Everest.

Did both accomplish the same task?
Apparently some here say yes.
I say no.
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Born on third base and spends life telling everybody they hit a triple, then gets walked home and tells everyone they hit a home run.
Yeah, it's very easy to understand when you use baseball.

You can also use the William Hurt lines in "Broadcast News" where, as "pretty boy" anchorman Tom Grunick, he doesn't have to research or write a single story, and the newscast producer is whispering in his ear through the entire newscast.



(Tom Grunick)
"With all the help you get, it's easier than local."

Yeah, his prior "local" gig was as a sportscaster.
 
Dragonfly said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44802123



My overall disgust for all things Kardashian/Jenner should be no secret to anyone here.

Check off another thing that just galls my stones, calling anything Kylie does "self made".

What an absolute, outright in-your-face insult to anyone in the "real world" who is actually self-made.

Would you agree?
Do you consider Kylie's business success to be "self-made"?
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I like the "self-made" mantra. But if it wasn't for the pre-packaged reality TV shows and the "success" of her siblings, she probably wouldn't have made this much money so quickly.
 
People are willing to pay high-end prices for her makeup line because of her name. I've watched a few reviews of her items and they all seem mediocre. Especially since her line and Colour Pop are created in the same factory. So essentially her makeup is just Colour Pop ($6 for a lipstick) with her name, packaging and price ($16 for a lipstick).

I'm sure her mother has a lot to do with it, but she does too. What non-Kardashian watcher even knew the Kylie Jenner name until a couple of years ago?
 
Ikari said:
I like the "self-made" mantra. But if it wasn't for the pre-packaged reality TV shows and the "success" of her siblings, she probably wouldn't have made this much money so quickly.
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Don't forget that the family she was born into already had some rather impressive wealth as well as fame to go along with it.

Again, had her last name been Patrick, and her birthplace been more middle America, she most likely would be working at the local Mall and taking classes at community college.

Without extraordinarily extreme benefits that 99% (or more) of the rest of us don't have, nobody "self-makes" $900,000,000 before they're 21st birthday.
 
Dragonfly said:
Don't forget that the family she was born into already had some rather impressive wealth as well as fame to go along with it.
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Yup, it's the same lesson that Trump teaches. The best way to get rich is to start rich.

I don't buy "self-made". If her family had nothing and she raised herself up and made her money...OK. But she's not "self-made", she's just standing on the shoulders of giants.
 
OrphanSlug said:
We seem to be quibbling over “self-made” just because we are talking about Kylie Jenner.
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The thread is about the fact that she's NOT self-made.

It's not about her, just about the fact that she could not have done what she did had she been born into a "regular" family.

It's not denying she's been exceptionally successful.

It is denying she did it "all on her own, without any help from anyone else".
 
Let's remember where the Kardashians came from.
Father Robert Kardashian was a cornerstone of the O.J. Simpson defense team.
Daughter Kim Kardashian got a lucky break getting a job as the personal shopper for Paris Hilton.
Kim’s job duties entailed making Paris look good in the latest couture fashions; organizing Paris’s huge closet and throwing out any frock she saw another star wearing to an event.
Kim's job led to appearances on Paris’s reality TV show.
One of the Hollywood personalities Kim met through her association with Paris was Brandy Norwood‘s little brother, rap star Ray J, who cast the flat-chested budding p0rn star in his latest "home movie", a sex tape.
In February 2007, a pornographic home video he made with former girlfriend Kim Kardashian in 2003 was made public.
Kardashian sued Vivid Entertainment for ownership of the tape. In late April 2007, Kardashian dropped the suit and settled with Vivid Entertainment for $5 million.

Basically, the entire Kardashian family is "famous for being famous" and the keystone to that fame rests on "Kim Kardashian, Superstar", a Vivid Entertainment adult DVD, which is Ray J's sex tape.

"With all the help you get, it's easier than local."
 
Dragonfly said:
The thread is about the fact that she's NOT self-made.

It's not about her, just about the fact that she could not have done what she did had she been born into a "regular" family.

It's not denying she's been exceptionally successful.

It is denying she did it "all on her own, without any help from anyone else".
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Fair point, I’m just not convinced it is so cut and dry. But I appear to be in the minority opinion on that one (it happens.)
 
An example of a self-made person in the makeup industry would be Jamie Kern of IT Cosmetics. She grew her business from the ground-up, sold it for $1 billion to L'Oreal and now lives in a multi-million dollar estate next to Oprah.
 
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