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The Pentagon Isn't Taking UFO's Seriously Enough

You’ve got to make a lot of wild assumptions to arrive at this conclusion.

No, I don't. You're the one who earlier equated odds estimates with actual numbers estimates. The accuracy of your assessments is highly questionable.
 
How do you know, that we know what the laws of the universe are besides the ones we know now?

Making bald unsupported statements doesn't work well for me.

if you don't like my theory, offer yours.
 
you do understand the distances that we are talking about here, right? the speed of light can be a limiting factor unless you can fold the universe and poke through it like a stick pin. my guess is that if you could achieve that level of tech, you wouldn't be flying next to primitive jets. i also doubt that you'd be caught on film.

Do you know for a fact that the speed of light is THE limiting factor in travelling distances?

How can you be sure we have reached the limit?
 
if you don't like my theory, offer yours.

I don't have a hypothesis to offer, playing the devils advocate is what I am doing here.

Not trying to say you are wrong, but you don't knw for sure on this with so little information available and what is really out there since we haven's even left the Solar System, is around 0.000000000000000000000000!% of the known universe.

I would say that NOBODY here really know what is out there for sure, since we have so little evidence for anything beyond scattered reports and a Equation to ponder over.
 
The question of ETI's or ETC's has been much on my mind for most of the past half-century. Read a great many books and articles on the topic.

For a time I was very interested in UFO sightings as well, in part because of a couple of my own (literally unidentified objects... don't know what they were, other than "behaving oddly").

The Drake Equation was never intended as a definitive answer to the question, but a framework within which to discuss and consider possibilities. We NOW can plug more accurate values into most of the variables than was possible when it was constructed, but we still have zero data on some of the most important ones.

The Fermi Paradox strongly implies we are probably alone in our own galaxy (as regards techno-civ ETCs) or else that interstellar communication or travel is simply too hard or the timelines to long. However a good book I read on FP last year suggests that part of the problem with it is "we are looking for ourselves"... for an ETI that is technological, curious, communicative and/or expansionist, another "us" or an "us squared" advanced version, when such ETI's as may be out there may be very different from what we expect.

Major factors in whether we are or may have been visited include whether C is the universal speed limit or if there is a way around it. We already know of at least two hypothetical ways around it though neither could be practically implemented with our current knowledge and tech. We don't know how far away we might be from discovering an "FTL bypass"... the answer could be ten years, a hundred, a million, or never. We can't make assumptions that ETCs with "warp drive" would necessarily be millions of years in advance of us, or maybe just decades or centuries. We don't know.

As far as UFO encounters as presented by various sources... a little digging tends to cast grave doubts on the credibility of most claiming close encounters, abductions, or similar actual-contact scenarios. I am skeptical.

Another question is if they're so advanced, why do they (the hypothetical alien "they") let us see them or catch them on radar? Of course their culture, motives and modus may be incomprehensibly "alien" as far as we know. And all the crashed-UFO stories... how embarrassing to travel light-years merely to crash in the target planet's atmosphere or get shot down by primitives! :)

Again... skeptical.

But on the other hand there are some cases not so easily explained away, as in the recent military footage, so who can say.
 
In the same vein their were countless books and TV shows on abductions and probing. I suppose it sold lots of books to the gullable.

And now that everyone has an iPhone... no pics of UFOs, or ghosts. And it seems that after James Randi did his thing, ESP, telekinesis and mind bending disappeared too.

Now all that’s left is fake herbal medicine, homeopathy and climate denial.
 
And now that everyone has an iPhone... no pics of UFOs, or ghosts. And it seems that after James Randi did his thing, ESP, telekinesis and mind bending disappeared too.

Now all that’s left is fake herbal medicine, homeopathy and climate denial.

I am sure there must be other life forms out there. But I don't believe they are abducting folks for breeding purposes after kidnapping them. That type of talk should get one in therapy.
 
I don't have a hypothesis to offer, playing the devils advocate is what I am doing here.

Not trying to say you are wrong, but you don't knw for sure on this with so little information available and what is really out there since we haven's even left the Solar System, is around 0.000000000000000000000000!% of the known universe.

I would say that NOBODY here really know what is out there for sure, since we have so little evidence for anything beyond scattered reports and a Equation to ponder over.

cool, i can appreciate that. all we can do is to speculate and discuss the evidence. my opinion is that terrestrial crafts are a much more viable explanation.
 
i don't see much evidence that this craft is piloted by extraterrestrials and just folded the universe to get here. am i missing something?

We don't know anything about them so far except they're inexplicable.
 
We don't know anything about them so far except they're inexplicable.

are they? i suppose that we might be able to narrow down the probability a bit.
 
Per the OP they're inexplicable. Finding an explanation is the goal.

then why does "inexplicable" generally default to "space aliens?"
 
then why does "inexplicable" generally default to "space aliens?"

The same reason that bigfoots are often said to be seen yet never found. Unidentified is just that - the rest is guesswork.
 
I am sure there must be other life forms out there. But I don't believe they are abducting folks for breeding purposes after kidnapping them. That type of talk should get one in therapy.

And I don’t think they are shooting down from 80,000 feet to 50 feet above the middle of the ocean before flying away at impossible speeds when they see fighter jets.

There are a lot of other possible explanations than ‘alien!’.
 
The same reason that bigfoots are often said to be seen yet never found. Unidentified is just that - the rest is guesswork.

one bigfoot would require several stable populations of bigfoots (bigfeet?,) unless this bigfoot is the last of its species. there can't just be a few.
 
You are the only one saying that.
That's different from not ruling it out.

if you're not arguing that the UFO is extraterrestrial, then what are your arguing?
 
I'm arguing what the OP argues: they merit more (and more serious) investigation.

i'm fine with a serious investigation. i just find it unlikely that these flying objects are piloted by extraterrestrials.
 
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