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The Pentagon Isn't Taking UFO's Seriously Enough

Jack Hays said:
As noted in #5 and #6, Drake's equation makes "little green men" quite likely. The real obstacle is the timeline in an infinite universe.
Regardless, the particular evidence cited in the OP merits a serious review, IMHO.
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The Drake equation doesn’t make any assumption in terms of how likely it is that intelligent alien life/civilizations exist.

I think it’s pretty clear by using common sense that alien spacecraft haven’t traveled thru interstellar space just to buzz by military jets every once in a while.
 
Threegoofs said:
The Drake equation doesn’t make any assumption in terms of how likely it is that intelligent alien life/civilizations exist.

I think it’s pretty clear by using common sense that alien spacecraft haven’t traveled thru interstellar space just to buzz by military jets every once in a while.
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As presented by Carl Sagan long ago, the Drake equation had a final step estimating how many life-bearing planets host intelligent "technical civilizations."
No one has made an assumption or argument about the intent of putative aliens. The point is simply to learn what we can from the documented encounters.
 
Jack Hays said:
As you wish.
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that has very little to do with it. the physical laws of the universe and the vast distances involved are much more important. however, yes, i would prefer that extremely advanced life forms with the ability to travel almost unthinkable distances by folding the universe over on itself and ducking in and out of wormholes not visit us here. it seems unlikely that they would be coming to trade or to help us upgrade our tech. as Stephen Hawking has proposed, their motives are less likely to be friendly.
 
Helix said:
that has very little to do with it. the physical laws of the universe and the vast distances involved are much more important. however, yes, i would prefer that extremely advanced life forms with the ability to travel almost unthinkable distances by folding the universe over on itself and ducking in and out of wormholes not visit us here. it seems unlikely that they would be coming to trade or to help us upgrade our tech. as Stephen Hawking has proposed, their motives are less likely to be friendly.
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Fair enough. My post was merely meant to acknowledge your complete right to a view different from mine.
I agree about the possible danger of an encounter. Generally in human history when a more technically powerful people has arrived to encounter a less powerful people it has ended badly for the latter.
I believe the vast distances of the universe can be conquered.
 
Jack Hays said:
Fair enough. My post was merely meant to acknowledge your complete right to a view different from mine.
I agree about the possible danger of an encounter. Generally in human history when a more technically powerful people has arrived to encounter a less powerful people it has ended badly for the latter.
I believe the vast distances of the universe can be conquered.
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it's conceivable. however, you also have to take into account, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, that most people are carrying a video camera 24/7 these days. confirmation of extraterrestrial visitors would be one of the biggest stories possible, so someone would have captured unassailable evidence by now if we're being visited as often as the UFO crowd likes to pretend.
 
Anyone remember that space station live feed? Basic spoiler alert here: Feed was going out around the globe when a gray thing appeared in the picture. Then, poof! No more feed.

I need to google the story behind that story.
 
Jack Hays said:
As presented by Carl Sagan long ago, the Drake equation had a final step estimating how many life-bearing planets host intelligent "technical civilizations."
No one has made an assumption or argument about the intent of putative aliens. The point is simply to learn what we can from the documented encounters.
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The Drake equation tells us absolutely nothing about the likelihood of intelligent aliens.

The likelihood in Drake can range from zero to billions, because the ultimate variables are unknowable.
 
Helix said:
it's conceivable. however, you also have to take into account, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, that most people are carrying a video camera 24/7 these days. confirmation of extraterrestrial visitors would be one of the biggest stories possible, so someone would have captured unassailable evidence by now if we're being visited as often as the UFO crowd likes to pretend.
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I don't buy that. The encounters in the OP are much more credible.
 
Threegoofs said:
The Drake equation tells us absolutely nothing about the likelihood of intelligent aliens.
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Actually, it does.

The Drake Equation is used to estimate the number of communicating civilizations in the cosmos, or more simply put, the odds of finding intelligent life in the universe. N = The number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.Mar 26, 2014

Drake Equation: Estimating the Odds of Finding E.T. - Space.com


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Jack Hays said:
Actually, it does.

The Drake Equation is used to estimate the number of communicating civilizations in the cosmos, or more simply put, the odds of finding intelligent life in the universe. N = The number of civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.Mar 26, 2014

Drake Equation: Estimating the Odds of Finding E.T. - Space.com


Space.com › 25219-drake-equation
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This is why you’re bad at science.

The number is not estimable from that equation, because the variables are impossible to estimate, especially the last two.

It literally tells us nothing about the likelihood, it only provides a framework for it, but that framework is impossible to actually use.
 
Threegoofs said:
This is why you’re bad at science.

The number is not estimable from that equation, because the variables are impossible to estimate, especially the last two.

It literally tells us nothing about the likelihood, it only provides a framework for it, but that framework is impossible to actually use.
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If it was good enough for Carl Sagan then it's good enough for me.
 
Jack Hays said:
I don't buy that. The encounters in the OP are much more credible.
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i don't see much evidence that this craft is piloted by extraterrestrials and just folded the universe to get here. am i missing something?
 
Helix said:
i don't see much evidence that this craft is piloted by extraterrestrials and just folded the universe to get here. am i missing something?
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I don't think anybody said the craft was piloted by anyone. The craft performed at levels humans have not achieved. You can draw your own conclusions.
 
humbolt said:
I don't think anybody said the craft was piloted by anyone. The craft performed at levels humans have not achieved. You can draw your own conclusions.
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which conclusion did you draw? that it was made by space aliens? also, how do you know what the current level of military technology is? i have no top secret clearance, so i don't.
 
Helix said:
which conclusion did you draw? that it was made by space aliens? also, how do you know what the current level of military technology is? i have no top secret clearance, so i don't.
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I don't know where that craft came from, but I do know the performance it displays didn't come from humans. A top secret clearance in that particular area isn't required. Humans have only recently developed the materials required to achieve sustained hypersonic flight.
 
humbolt said:
I don't know where that craft came from, but I do know the performance it displays didn't come from humans.
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no, you don't. we really don't know **** about what kinds of aircraft are in development.

humbolt said:
A top secret clearance in that particular area isn't required. Humans have only recently developed the materials required to achieve sustained hypersonic flight.
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if real, it's much more likely that the craft in that video has a terrestrial origin. i'm supposed to believe that it's more likely that space aliens folded the universe to come here and do aerobatics? right.
 
Helix said:
no, you don't. we really don't know **** about what kinds of aircraft are in development.
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Actually I do, but I'm not about to offer anything more substantive.

if real, it's much more likely that the craft in that video has a terrestrial origin. i'm supposed to believe that it's more likely that space aliens folded the universe to come here and do aerobatics? right.
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You can believe what you like.
 
humbolt said:
I don't know where that craft came from, but I do know the performance it displays didn't come from humans. A top secret clearance in that particular area isn't required. Humans have only recently developed the materials required to achieve sustained hypersonic flight.
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You’ve got to make a lot of wild assumptions to arrive at this conclusion.
 
Helix said:
that has very little to do with it. the physical laws of the universe and the vast distances involved are much more important. however, yes, i would prefer that extremely advanced life forms with the ability to travel almost unthinkable distances by folding the universe over on itself and ducking in and out of wormholes not visit us here. it seems unlikely that they would be coming to trade or to help us upgrade our tech. as Stephen Hawking has proposed, their motives are less likely to be friendly.
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How do you know, that we know what the laws of the universe are besides the ones we know now?

Making bald unsupported statements doesn't work well for me.
 
Threegoofs said:
Remember I’m the 70s and 80s, when UFOs were super common and you heard reports of sightings all the time?

Odd that those suddenly
Disappeared when everyone started carrying digital cameras and smartphones around with them, huh?
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In the same vein their were countless books and TV shows on abductions and probing. I suppose it sold lots of books to the gullable.
 
Sunsettommy said:
How do you know?
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you do understand the distances that we are talking about here, right? the speed of light can be a limiting factor unless you can fold the universe and poke through it like a stick pin. my guess is that if you could achieve that level of tech, you wouldn't be flying next to primitive jets. i also doubt that you'd be caught on film.
 
Helix said:
it's conceivable. however, you also have to take into account, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, that most people are carrying a video camera 24/7 these days. confirmation of extraterrestrial visitors would be one of the biggest stories possible, so someone would have captured unassailable evidence by now if we're being visited as often as the UFO crowd likes to pretend.
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That in itself doesn't prove they don't exist, but does make it harder say they do exist with less convincing lines of evidence provided such as the video recording in the link.
 
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