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German Panzers get new active armor system [W:545]

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DND and Rheinmetall, who already developed the worldfamous Panzerfaust (the newest model Panzerfaust III is used in the german Bundeswehr) got a contract to equip all German Leopard II and Puma Panzers with a new active armor system. The System is called ADS and is capapble to withstand even the new russian panzer attack systems.

So far the Leopard II will have then ADS which uses a hardkill system to deflect enemy ammo and also use reactive armory, which is basicly an counter explosion to protect the crew inside.

Bundeswehr schutzt Puma-Panzer mit Reaktivpanzerung von DND - WELT

The contract is worth 800 million €

P.s.: Before the typical moaning of soem americans here starts, no american companies dont get any german defense contracts. Its law here since last years that not even german corporations who use american parts get the contract, thats why SIG Sauer was excluded from any contracts as well, since they use american parts. That legislation was put into effect because Trumps threats against us.

So even if we rise our defense budget, USA will not see a single cent from it.
 
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Good. With only a handful of main battle tanks, the German force needs all the advantages it can get.
 
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Dayton3 said:
Good. With only a handful of main battle tanks, the German force needs all the advantages it can get.
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How many tanks do you think Germany needs?
 
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Rostocker said:
DND and Rheinmetall, who already developed the worldfamous Panzerfaust (the newest model Panzerfaust III is used in the german Bundeswehr) got a contract to equip all German Leopard II and Puma Panzers with a new active armor system. The System is called ADS and is capapble to withstand even the new russian panzer attack systems.

So far the Leopard II will have then ADS which uses a hardkill system to deflect enemy ammo and also use reactive armory, which is basicly an counter explosion to protect the crew inside.

Bundeswehr schutzt Puma-Panzer mit Reaktivpanzerung von DND - WELT

The contract is worth 800 million €

P.s.: Before the typical moaning of soem americans here starts, no american companies dont get any german defense contracts. Its law here since last years that not even german corporations who use american parts get the contract, thats why SIG Sauer was excluded from any contracts as well, since they use american parts. That legislation was put into effect because Trumps threats against us.

So even if we rise our defense budget, USA will not see a single cent from it.
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Why do you imagine Americans would be moaning about this?

And this is probably because of the Turkish Leopard IIs getting mugged in Syria.
 
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code1211 said:
And they will effectively defend against... what?
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They can fulfill their NATO commitments to defend the Baltic states and Poland against Russian aggression.
 
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They are a hell of a tank!

I was an anti armor specialist in the military, and even back in the eighties they had very few weak spots.

I got to go against them and see them up close in reforged '85.

Many times when I didn't intend to be up close😀
 
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Rostocker said:
DND and Rheinmetall, who already developed the worldfamous Panzerfaust (the newest model Panzerfaust III is used in the german Bundeswehr) got a contract to equip all German Leopard II and Puma Panzers with a new active armor system. The System is called ADS and is capapble to withstand even the new russian panzer attack systems.

So far the Leopard II will have then ADS which uses a hardkill system to deflect enemy ammo and also use reactive armory, which is basicly an counter explosion to protect the crew inside.

Bundeswehr schutzt Puma-Panzer mit Reaktivpanzerung von DND - WELT

The contract is worth 800 million €

P.s.: Before the typical moaning of soem americans here starts, no american companies dont get any german defense contracts. Its law here since last years that not even german corporations who use american parts get the contract, thats why SIG Sauer was excluded from any contracts as well, since they use american parts. That legislation was put into effect because Trumps threats against us.

So even if we rise our defense budget, USA will not see a single cent from it.
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What took y'all so long? That stuff has been around for decades.

Oh well, better late than never, right?
 
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Dayton3 said:
They can fulfill their NATO commitments to defend the Baltic states and Poland against Russian aggression.
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Wait we defend against Russian aggression???

I thought we just gave them American air strips if Putin asks for them...
 
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Dayton3 said:
They can fulfill their NATO commitments to defend the Baltic states and Poland against Russian aggression.
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You wont defend poland and baltics with tanks against Russia. You know that, i know that. Beside that acts Poland quite hostile against Germany, tzey maybe should stop to beg for money before asking for defense from us,
 
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Mycroft said:
What took y'all so long? That stuff has been around for decades.

Oh well, better late than never, right?
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Leopard II already is one of worlds best panzers. That it gets an upgrade is just normal.
 
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Dayton3 said:
About 1,000
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1,000 tanks for a country that borders seven allies and two neutral states?
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
How many tanks do you think Germany needs?
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Well, the Russians have approx 13,000 tanks and 12,000 infantry fighting vehicles. So, yeah, that many.
 
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apdst said:
Well, the Russians have approx 13,000 tanks and 12,000 infantry fighting vehicles. So, yeah, that many.
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And? Russia and Germany are not anywhere near the brink of war.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
1,000 tanks for a country that borders seven allies and two neutral states?
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The U.S. has thousands of Abrams tanks and we don't have a border with any hostile nations.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
And? Russia and Germany are not anywhere near the brink of war.
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You prepare for war long before the brink and you prepare to meet the largest threat.
 
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apdst said:
You prepare for war long before the brink and you prepare to meet the largest threat.
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something almost no one here seems to understand.
 
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Dayton3 said:
something almost no one here seems to understand.
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Especially when everything else is falling apart :roll:
 
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Dayton3 said:
The U.S. has thousands of Abrams tanks and we don't have a border with any hostile nations.
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You are also bancrupt and cant afford even basic social systems.
 
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