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Meet the Navy's first Black female fighter pilot

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Meet the Navy's first Black female fighter pilot
RYAN PICKRELL, BUSINESS INSIDER20 HOURS AGO
Editor's Note: This article originally appeared on Business Insider.

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The US Navy's first Black female fighter pilot has earned her wings, the service said.

The Chief of Naval Air Training celebrated the officer for her achievement on Twitter, writing: "BZ to Lt. j.g. Madeline Swegle on completing the Tactical Air (Strike) aviator syllabus. Swegle is the @USNavy's first known Black female TACAIR pilot and will receive her Wings of Gold later this month. HOOYAH!"
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Good on her! It's tough getting your wings in the Navy. More so for women and especially women of color. (they have to really excel)

The ultimate test is becoming carrier qualified. I wish Lt. Swegle continued success.
 
I am hearing little glass ceilings breaking all the time. Good for her!
 
Rogue Valley said:
Good on her! It's tough getting your wings in the Navy. More so for women and especially women of color. (they have to really excel)

The ultimate test is becoming carrier qualified. I wish Lt. Swegle continued success.
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Can you tell me what it is exactly that she had to excel at above and beyond the other people attempting to become fighter pilots in the Navy. Please be specific.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Good on her! It's tough getting your wings in the Navy. More so for women and especially women of color. (they have to really excel)

The ultimate test is becoming carrier qualified. I wish Lt. Swegle continued success.
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Women go through the very same courses and tests that the male pilots do.

Take your misogynist & race cards else where.
 
braindrain said:
Can you tell me what it is exactly that she had to excel at above and beyond the other people attempting to become fighter pilots in the Navy. Please be specific.
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Obviously there must’ve been something such that she has only been the first in her demographic to be able to do so. What do you think that is?
 
ataraxia said:
Obviously there must’ve been something such that she has only been the first in her demographic to be able to do so. What do you think that is?
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So you have no actual facts or evidence but your heart just tells you there just has to be discrimination because without it how can you be outraged.
 
braindrain said:
So you have no actual facts or evidence but your heart just tells you there just has to be discrimination because without it how can you be outraged.
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I didn’t even necessarily think about discrimination. I was thinking about other things too like opportunity, or education, or lots of other things. Obviously there has to be SOMETHING to explain why she would be the first.

Do you think when the first woman fighter pilots took to the air a few decades ago it was no big deal and didn’t say anything socially?
 
Good for her.

I would hope that the US would get to a point where gender and color of skin is the leading statement when someone qualifies for a job.
For me if a person can do the job, I don't care what the gender or color of the skin is.
 
ataraxia said:
I didn’t even necessarily think about discrimination. I was thinking about other things too like opportunity, or education, or lots of other things. Obviously there has to be SOMETHING to explain why she would be the first.

Do you think when the first woman fighter pilots took to the air a few decades ago it was no big deal and didn’t say anything socially?
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Like I said your heart tells you out has to be something other wise you would have no reason to be outraged. And that's the goal right. It's rather obvious. You have no facts or evidence but it just has to be so.


And you last paragraph is just nonsense. Who said anything about pilots from decades ago speaking out. Or even the pilot that is the subject of this thread speaking out. Oh thats right. No one but you.

Sorry but I am not interested in taking sides in the conversation your are having in your head.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Good on her! It's tough getting your wings in the Navy. More so for women and especially women of color. (they have to really excel)

The ultimate test is becoming carrier qualified. I wish Lt. Swegle continued success.
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Why do you demand women, particularly "women of color" have to excel more than others - other than of course you are an old white male Democrat.

Never mind, I answered the question.
 
Time and again I mention one of my kids is in the military, has been in combat in the combat theaters of Afghanistan and Iraq. I avoid mentioning my kid is female and is AF. She has been the first female to have the role she has since her 2nd year.

More than once a CO has told her that he has never had a woman in his unit, outfit, in the role or even at the base except in clerical roles - and that they never will. That is hoping she will file a sex discrimination complaint, which of course would be a career killer. She never does. If it gets too bad, she undertakes a super brainiac as she is course to eliminate that CO - leading him down a path of destruction of his own career. While she must follow rank protocols, she does not answer to normal military command. Her, her unit and what they have and do is directly under Pentagon control. Pig headed - as in male sexist pig - COs are too stupid to understand what that means. It means if push comes to shove, she wins. So all she has to do is egg on the CO to keep pushing until pushing the wrong way - that the Pentagon - not her - does not like for reasons of missions - not anything related to sex discrimination and harassment.

A lot of people think women advance in the military as some affirmative action by the military, but that really is not the case. Women advance in the military in significant roles because the military needs her. My kid is a super brainiac type with some developed unique skills - as is everyone on her team. What they do is super secret stuff, developmental stuff - by them - then tested as a prototype in actual combat.

Combat personnel - intelligent ones anyway - will not allow any CO to order them in a way that would get them killed or the mission to fail. She can veto any mission, no matter how much ordered to proceed. She may order her unit to refuse any orders - and one time did - leading to a pre-hearing for mutiny - that she won and the CO was canned. Not understanding a mere woman can tell him "no" - and order the entire unit to refuse - cost one sexist pig base commander his command. Combat missions are as serious as life gets.

To rise in the military for a woman is to become a necessity to the military. Combat units in combat apparently are quite different that bureaucratic military command. In combat, what matters is actual ability. That woman became a combat pilot because she is exceptionally skilled at it - or at least they think she probably is. Only being in actual combat will tell.
 
hado117 said:
why is the color of her skin so important?
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Well, "so important" is your claim. I would say it's worthy of recognition because she overcame the odds. First, what are the odds of anyone becoming a fighter pilot? Second, what are the odds of a woman becoming a fighter pilot? Third, what are the odds of a black woman becoming a fighter pilot? We recognize people who overcome the odds.
 
joko104 said:
Time and again I mention one of my kids is in the military, has been in combat in the combat theaters of Afghanistan and Iraq. I avoid mentioning my kid is female and is AF. She has been the first female to have the role she has since her 2nd year.

More than once a CO has told her that he has never had a woman in his unit, outfit, in the role or even at the base except in clerical roles - and that they never will. That is hoping she will file a sex discrimination complaint, which of course would be a career killer. She never does. If it gets too bad, she undertakes a super brainiac as she is course to eliminate that CO - leading him down a path of destruction of his own career. While she must follow rank protocols, she does not answer to normal military command. Her, her unit and what they have and do is directly under Pentagon control. Pig headed - as in male sexist pig - COs are too stupid to understand what that means. It means if push comes to shove, she wins. So all she has to do is egg on the CO to keep pushing until pushing the wrong way - that the Pentagon - not her - does not like for reasons of missions - not anything related to sex discrimination and harassment.

A lot of people think women advance in the military as some affirmative action by the military, but that really is not the case. Women advance in the military in significant roles because the military needs her. My kid is a super brainiac type with some developed unique skills - as is everyone on her team. What they do is super secret stuff, developmental stuff - by them - then tested as a prototype in actual combat.

Combat personnel - intelligent ones anyway - will not allow any CO to order them in a way that would get them killed or the mission to fail. She can veto any mission, no matter how much ordered to proceed. She may order her unit to refuse any orders - and one time did - leading to a pre-hearing for mutiny - that she won and the CO was canned. Not understanding a mere woman can tell him "no" - and order the entire unit to refuse - cost one sexist pig base commander his command. Combat missions are as serious as life gets.

To rise in the military for a woman is to become a necessity to the military. Combat units in combat apparently are quite different that bureaucratic military command. In combat, what matters is actual ability. That woman became a combat pilot because she is exceptionally skilled at it - or at least they think she probably is. Only being in actual combat will tell.
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I was wondering when we were going to get the next installment of jokos ongoing fantasy fiction military novel. As before not bad just to over the top. Also you need to do some research in to how the military actually works of you want your stuff to be believable by any one who has ever spent more then a few days in the Army. But not bad. Keep trying.



I may have missed it have have you posted a map of showing where in Iraq the helmand province. After all that was the scene for your last installment.
 
I am sure the planes have changed since I was in the military, but few women are physically capable of being a combat pilot. When a hydraulic system fails or the plane takes some physical damage it can take a lot of strength to keep it in the air. I wish her luck and hope she never has to find out if she is truly capable.
 
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