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Was Vietnam a just war?

Was Vietnam a just war?

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    Votes: 2 4.8%

  • Yes, it was just

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • No, it wasn't just

    Votes: 30 71.4%
  • Total voters
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swing_voter said:
Go there and "own" it. Knock yourself out.
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I've spent years in Kenya and I'm moving there permanently, but if I find time. I served airborne infantry, paratrooper, so I got that end covered too.

I walk my talk.

I believe in a neo-exodus of developed world educated to reverse the brain drain and finally own poverty. I blaze the path.
 
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ecofarm said:
I've spent years in Kenya and I'm moving there permanently, but if I find time. And I served airborne infantry, paratrooper, so I got that end covered too.

I walk my talk.

I believe in a neo-exodus of developed world educated to reverse the brain drain and finally own poverty.
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Good for you! Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
 
Lisa said:
How could people of other religious beliefs or those who are not religious, have equal rights, as guaranteed by the Free Exercise clause when the government is enforcement Christian morality? .
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Why would they not? You could declare the U.S. a Christian nation and still guarantee the right of people to worship however they please.
 
swing_voter said:
Good for you! Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
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Enjoy the freedom I risked my life to preserve. See ya on the flip side.
 
ecofarm said:
Money doesn't solve problems. To solve a problem, one must own it. We can only fix what is ours.
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You don't have to own something to fix it. Our church has routinely sent volunteers (including me) to fix the problems of someone in the community.
 
Dayton3 said:
You don't have to own something to fix it. Our church has routinely sent volunteers (including me) to fix the problems of someone in the community.
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It's flat stupid to not see how that's owning it as opposed to throwing money at it.


Nazi avatar dissonance?
 
Getting back to the Vietnam War.

We did overthrow Diem, the president of South Vietnam. He was brutal. Hell, everyone was brutal in that war. It seemed like everyone had a family member who was tortured to death that the were trying to avenge.

Anyway, President Diem brutally suppressed the Buddhists. If you've seen pictures of monks lighting themselves on fire, this is why, it was a response to President Diem's repression. The Buddhists made up 80% of the population.

America complained bitterly, but President Diem wouldn't listen.

Some South Vietnamese generals got together and contacted the CIA and asked if American would mind if they staged a coup. Through a series of unfortunate events, they were told America didn't mind. It was something Kennedy regretted. Deim was an asshole, but he was one of the most capable people in South Vietnam.

The generals captured Diem and his brother, put them in the back of an armored personnel carrier, drove them outside the city and shot them.

Kenedy was shot 18 days later.
 
Dayton3 said:
Why would they not? You could declare the U.S. a Christian nation and still guarantee the right of people to worship however they please.
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This doesn't pass the laugh test. You cannot say that others have equal and full religious and secular rights of the government is a Christian country and that belief is reflected in our laws. If your claim was true than what is the point of saying that the US is a Christian country and the Bible is the basis of our laws?


BTW, Which group would your supposed "neo-conservatives" with Nazi iconography send to the ovens first?
 
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swing_voter said:
Good for you!
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When I threw that softball, I did it because it was funny. I knew it was a softball and part of me wondered if you'd get a piece of it. I thought, "damn, that was funny, but could he bink that bad boy?" Then I thought, "no way. I bet he can't even manage to dribble a single". I was a little worried, though, because I knew it was a softball. I was willing to take the risk for the humor.

Then something magic happened. You tossed it back to me.


*bink*

Clear over the center field wall.

Thanks.
 
Lisa said:
This doesn't pass the laugh test. You cannot say that others have equal and full religious and secular rights of the government is a Christian country and that belief is reflected in our laws. If your claim was true than what is the point of saying that the US is a Christian country and the Bible is the basis of our laws?


BTW, Which group would your supposed "neo-conservatives" with Nazi iconography send to the ovens first?
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Why would neo conservatives want to kill any of their fellow Americans? I certainly have no interest in it.
 
Dayton3 said:
Prove you were a paratrooper.
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All the military guys here know it. One can't fake military service, let alone for ten years. I have the lingo, I got the jargon and, when I can remember, I have the nomenclature. I've met members in person and showed them my 214 including jump log.

I left an expensive private university to enlist during Gulf 1. Four days after the 82nd was deployed to Kuwait, in Aug of 89, I signed my contract: 11xa and assigned to the 82nd upon completion of training. To get 82nd, instead of 10th Mtn, I had to agree to delayed enlistment. That meant not going to basic until December, but it would count as time in service though not time towards my contract. I used that time to get in shape.

The air war started while I was in basic. During M16 class (at desks), a drill walked in making bomb motions with his hands. It was on. A couple weeks later, the drills told us the 82nd had engaged the Royal Guard at close range and had fought hand to hand. That was a lie but I didn't know that. I trained hard.

In jump school, the ground war started and ended in the course of a couple weeks.

When I arrived at my unit (D 3/505th PIR), they had been home for two weeks. They all had thousands in the bank and eight months in the desert together. It was a tough time to be the new guy.

I'll always feel I was cheated, no matter how much I know it's best that I didn't see combat.

After my enlistment, I used my GI Bill to get a BA, MSc and PhD(c). I lived in Europe for my masters. I lived in Africa for research during my masters and PhD program (UF).

My masters is International Environmental Science. My PhD(c) is Interdisciplinary Ecology specializing (like a minor for an undergrad) in Gender.

I spent two years in rural Africa, no electricity or floors or running water, without any assistance from outside the country.



I really am ****ing amazing. Pics at my profile:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/members/ecofarm-albums-pics.html
 
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ecofarm said:
I left an expensive private university to enlist during Gulf 1. Four days after the 82nd was deployed to Kuwait, in Aug of 89,
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The 82nd Airborne was not deployed to Kuwait. It was deployed to Saudi Arabia. And it was in 1990, not 1989.
 
Dayton3 said:
Why would neo conservatives want to kill any of their fellow Americans? I certainly have no interest in it.
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I'm sure the Germans in 1938 thought the same way.

Did you think that we would ignore one of the core ideas of fascism?
Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
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Catholics in Germany were united in one church. Germany’s 45 million Protestants were not. Most were members of the Lutheran, Reformed, or United Churches. In each German state, the members of these denominations joined together to form a regional Protestant church. Protestants in Germany differed not only in their religious practices but also in their political views. A few openly opposed the Nazis, while others saw themselves as neutral. Still others actively supported Nazism, calling themselves “storm troopers of Jesus Christ.” As a result, as Protestant churches responded to National Socialism, some struggled to preserve the independence of their churches from politics and government, while others sought to claim a central place for Christianity in Nazi Gremany.
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