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Was Vietnam a just war?

Was Vietnam a just war?

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    Votes: 2 4.8%

  • Yes, it was just

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • No, it wasn't just

    Votes: 30 71.4%
  • Total voters
    42
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Rexedgar said:
As soon as something of value was found on those reservations, the boundaries were redrawn...
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Someone even wrote a celebratory musical about it, Oklahoma!

Can't let those redskins control liquid gold, oil.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Someone even wrote a celebratory musical about it, Oklahoma!

Can't let those redskins control liquid gold, oil.
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“As long as the grass grows and the water runs........”
 
OldFatGuy said:
Cry, cry, cry and whine. Your hype over Covid 19 has accomplished murder. People who you have frightened have died rather than seek therapy they need from hospitals. You continue to create a climate of fear, paranoia that is causing more deaths than the virus.

I am old, and smart enough, experienced enough to mock my skinny old bones, while you are not humble at all.
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Don't give me that bull**** 'cry cry cry', I've done that when friends came back from Vietnam in wooden boxes. I'm not crying, I'm just telling you do not deride or criticize me erroneously stating that I know nothing about war. How many people do you know have had Covid-19 and how many do you know that have died as a result of Covid-19? If you do, are you going to their families saying 'cry cry cry', this isn't such a big deal? Your lack of compassion and humanity is on display here. Your arrogance abounds.
 
Rexedgar said:
As soon as something of value was found on those reservations, the boundaries were redrawn...
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There is no doubt the natives got the short end of virtually all deals they made.

What readers need to study is the then huge sums of cash paid to the natives by our Government.
 
Killing communists is always just.
 
HumblePi said:
Don't give me that bull**** 'cry cry cry', I've done that when friends came back from Vietnam in wooden boxes. I'm not crying, I'm just telling you do not deride or criticize me erroneously stating that I know nothing about war. How many people do you know have had Covid-19 and how many do you know that have died as a result of Covid-19? If you do, are you going to their families saying 'cry cry cry', this isn't such a big deal? Your lack of compassion and humanity is on display here. Your arrogance abounds.
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I don't believe a word you say.

I am not a pretend nurse howling wolf driving others to their graves in needless fear.

Seeing coffins is nothing. Putting other men in coffins, or parts of them, or nothing but covering a coffin with a flag, another matter. I'm on your case because all you do is create fear and paranoia. In my eyes I see a brute worse than those I witnessed taking joy in the death they dealt in war.
 
Robertinfremont said:
There is no doubt the natives got the short end of virtually all deals they made.

What readers need to study is the then huge sums of cash paid to the natives by our Government.
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Deals done at the end of gun, superior firepower and manpower. Rule of force always trumps rule of law.
 
ecofarm said:
Without superpower willingness to project power around the globe, fledgling democracies would never have been safe to get on their feet.
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I recall that time differently. Our retreat back into our shell after Vietnam allowed dictatorships around the world to flourish. After we spent ourselves into debtor status our great comeback was attacking minor island nations in our own backyard.

I think both our first and second longest wars show us a lesson we refuse to believe- we can't enforce our will on a people who have other ideas... :peace
 
Taste great...…...Less filling. The argument goes on and on.

For starters it was not the Vietnam War it was the Vietnam Conflict. War was never declared.

Everyone here has their opinion but I wish I knew what the 58,000 Americans who died at such young ages would say now.
 
Rexedgar said:
Nixon has direct American blood on his hands. What a stupid post!
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No he doesn’t,

The only crime Nixon committed was hiring burglars who didn’t know how to tape a door latch, up/down not left/right
 
OldFatGuy said:
I don't believe a word you say.

I am not a pretend nurse howling wolf driving others to their graves in needless fear.

Seeing coffins is nothing. Putting other men in coffins, or parts of them, or nothing but covering a coffin with a flag, another matter. I'm on your case because all you do is create fear and paranoia. In my eyes I see a brute worse than those I witnessed taking joy in the death they dealt in war.
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I'm not a pretend old fat guy that thinks he knows it all and does nothing more than try to tear down the credibility of others. Your lack of fear and ignorance in regards to this pandemic is precisely why we have a pandemic. People like you don't give a **** about other people. You could care less if others get this virus from you or from anyone else who refuses to protect others by wearing a mask. You're completely self-absorbed, selfish creatures, and I don't mean to give creatures a bad name.
 
swing_voter said:
Was Vietnam a just war?

I'll withhold my opinion until the first couple of pages so as not to influence posters.
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No. The US should have told the French in 1945, who abandoned Vietnam and the rest of Indochina in 1941 to the Japanese, to go pound sand and we should have support Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh in their independence.

Ho was a Vietnamese nationalist first and foremost. Being a socialist was second to that. Vietnam could have been the Denmark of the Far East with our support instead of pushing him into the Soviet camp and that of authoritarian communism.
 
ecofarm said:
Without superpower willingness to project power around the globe, fledgling democracies would never have been safe to get on their feet.
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The “Republic” of Vietnam was a military dictatorship from the start. What “fledgling democracy” are you talking about?
 
ecofarm said:
Vietnam helped establish the umbrella of freedom under which the world blossomed.
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What “umbrella of freedom”? The US spent the Cold War crushing democracies and supporting dictatorships.
 
President Eisenhower was the first president to send troops into Vietnam back in the 50's. Mostly advisors.

President Johnson used to call Ike to get his advice on the war. He'd complain to Ike about the war, that his people were telling him it was unwinnable. Ike was more of a Hawk.


You can find recordings of their conversations online.
 
Questerr said:
What “umbrella of freedom”? The US spent the Cold War crushing democracies and supporting dictatorships.
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That's lacking grasp of the principles of the US. Where are you from?
 
Robertinfremont said:
Thank you for the faulty history lesson. One major correction. The native tribes did not understand land ownership.
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Of course they did. What they didn’t recognize was INDIVIDUAL land ownership.
 
ecofarm said:
That's lacking grasp of the principles of the US. Where are you from?
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Kansas and then Texas.

And my statement is factually accurate. The US repeatedly supported dictators and helped them crush actual democratic movements during the Cold War.
 
Robertinfremont said:
FDR would have fought the Communists had he lived so Truman took it over for him once he died.
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Bull**** FDR wouldn’t have turned his back on our allies we supported in Vietnam against the Japanese.
 
Robertinfremont said:
North Vietnam made a blunder by going communist.

I saw myself what communism does to nations and what freedom does is much better. As Vietnam finally started to use part of our system, they began to come out of poverty.

Still today Vietnam is not free. It has a group of under 500 bosses running the place.
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What “freedom” was there in the South Vietnamese military dictatorship?
 
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