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Was Vietnam a just war?

Was Vietnam a just war?

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  • Yes, it was just

    Votes: 10 23.8%
  • No, it wasn't just

    Votes: 30 71.4%

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Was Vietnam a just war?

I'll withhold my opinion until the first couple of pages so as not to influence posters.
 
What does "just" a war mean?


Vietnam War Casualties (1955-1975)
America paid a terrible price for its involvement in the Vietnam War - nearly 60,000 killed-in-action, over 150,000 wounded, and some 1,600 missing.
Vietnam War Casualties (1955-1975)





The Vietnam War cost $168 billion or $1 trillion in today's dollars.19 That included $111 billion in military operations and $28.5 billion in aid to South Vietnam.

Compensation benefits for Vietnam veterans and families still cost $22 billion a year.20 Surviving spouses qualify for lifetime benefits if the veteran died from war wounds. Veterans' children receive benefits until age 18. If the children are disabled, they receive lifetime benefits. Since 1970, the post-war benefits for veterans and families have cost $270 billion.

Vietnam War Facts, Definition, Costs and Timeline
 
Establishing US willingness to engage non-democratic forces on the other side of the globe was key in world development.
 
Establishing US willingness to engage non-democratic forces on the other side of the globe was key in world development.

Can you flesh out your statement?
 
Can you flesh out your statement?

Without superpower willingness to project power around the globe, fledgling democracies would never have been safe to get on their feet.
 
Just some trivia regarding the war in Vietnam.

Covid-19 has already killed more Americans than the Vietnam War, Gulf War, Afghanistan War and Iraq War combined.
 
Was Vietnam a just war?

I'll withhold my opinion until the first couple of pages so as not to influence posters.

On the one hand, killing communists is always a noble pursuit.

OTOH, the US government never seriously tried to win Vietnam, making it a colossal waist.

Can you flesh out your statement?

Ecofarm is a committed internationalist. He gets off on American troops dying in foreign hellholes for no apparent purpose. He likes Vietnam for the same reason I have reservations about it, because it set a precedent for the US to indefinitely occupy unruly puppet states with no strategy for pacification.
 
On the one hand, killing communists is always a noble pursuit.

OTOH, the US government never seriously tried to win Vietnam, making it a colossal waist.



Ecofarm is a committed internationalist. He gets off on American troops dying in foreign hellholes for no apparent purpose. He likes Vietnam for the same reason I have reservations about it, because it set a precedent for the US to indefinitely occupy unruly puppet states with no strategy for pacification.

So why on Earth are we still in Afghanistan?
 
Was Vietnam a just war?

I'll withhold my opinion until the first couple of pages so as not to influence posters.

To the soldiers in the field, yes. To the leadership it was a chess game played with soldiers.

The field troops earned every ****ing nickle.
 
No one knows.

Yeup, everyone, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all said we need to get out, yet none of them did so. We still have brave soldiers being maimed and killed for What.
 
There is no such thing as a just war. All wars are unjust, including the world wars. Some wars are a necessity to combat significantly greater evil, again both world wars. The American war in Vietnam, which was not restricted to Vietnam, but included northern Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and wherever the joint command felt bombs should be dropped or covert activities were needed, offers no justification beyond greed and paranoia, i.e. the domino theory.

Chicken hawks are quick to point out justifications of thwarting communist world domination, and associated dictatorial governments, yet such economic systems have repeatedly failed without US military confrontations. The only truth is that those who favor wars like this one have no faith in the American people and their choice of a capitalist economic system. The Soviets are history. China is on a path returning to it capitalism of 5,000 years or more, while the communist party of China has 90 million members out of a population of 1.393 billion, it too functions more as holding corporation of other businesses than a true communist economy.

Vietnam was a French mess, left over from the post WWII attempt by the French to keep its colonies in SE Asia. The French failed and the US went in to clean up the mess, a police action. The reality was that we were fighting a nationalist movement, an anti-colonialist movement based on our own revolution for self rule. The hypocrisy of sacrificing 50 thousand young Americans dead for such cause, untold others emotionally destroyed, the establishment of a cultural schism in this nation, is mind boggling and certainly unjust.

I have no doubt there will be those who will say the war was confined to Vietnam, except when we went after Viet Minh supply routes in neighboring countries. I personally went on patrols in Laos and Cambodia, the targets were not Viet Minh. The targets were organized crime, warlords who sold drugs and traded weapons of both nations with American and French expats as well as American and French organized crime parties buying drugs from those warlords. Had we not had a military presence in the region, there would have been little or no drug trade to bring SE Asian opiates into the US and Europe. And let's not fool ourselves, had not British colonialists from India not introduced those opiate crops from northern India, todays Afghanistan and Pakistan, to SE Asia so as to maintain alternate sources, the problem would not have existed at all. Greed, the American way, in the end. Our true raison d'être. American blood for greed, money.
 
So why on Earth are we still in Afghanistan?

No leader has the balls to withdraw without any preconditions and there's not enough troops dying currently for the public to put any sort of political pressure on any branch of government to end the war.
In other words, maintaining the status quo is simply the most politically convenient course of action.
 
Not only was it an unjust war, it was also terrible foreign policy. This is pretty obvious in hindsight, I don't know why you could look at history and come to any other conclusion.

And the people who claim "we could have won but we were fighting with one hand behind our backs and the politicians got in the way" are full of ****. It was a stupid war from the moment it was conceived and the reason it failed is because it should never have been fought in the first place.
 
Was Vietnam a just war?

I'll withhold my opinion until the first couple of pages so as not to influence posters.

There is no such thing as unjust war against communists.
 
Was Vietnam a just war?

I'll withhold my opinion until the first couple of pages so as not to influence posters.

No
Kennedy should never have gotten us involved.
Johnson should never have lied to the public.
Nixon should have ended the war a lot sooner.
 
There is no such thing as a just war.

War = one group of people killing another, one group out of aggression, the other in defense. There is nothing just about it.
 
No
Kennedy should never have gotten us involved.
Johnson should never have lied to the public.
Nixon should have ended the war a lot sooner.

The American people should’ve elected the Great Richard Nixon and then McNamara would never have managed the war. With actual military commanders in charge we could’ve crushed Ho like a bug.
 
There is no such thing as a just war.

War = one group of people killing another, one group out of aggression, the other in defense. There is nothing just about it.

Sorry but Nations have the same right to self defense as an individual.
 
The American people should’ve elected the Great Richard Nixon and then McNamara would never have managed the war. With actual military commanders in charge we could’ve crushed Ho like a bug.

Vietnam was a money maker for many and hence why it lasted so long. Yes we could have crushed the North, it better yet supported Ho when he first came to us for help.
 
Without superpower willingness to project power around the globe, fledgling democracies would never have been safe to get on their feet.


Viet Nam is now one country, a one-party, socialist republic. I think the beginnings of the Viet Nam was for noble and anti-communist reasons, didn’t change much in hindsight.

I am still not sure what your two statements have to do with the question in the poll........:thinking
 
Viet Nam is now one country, a one-party, socialist republic. I think the beginnings of the Viet Nam was for noble and anti-communist reasons, didn’t change much in hindsight.

I am still not sure what your two statements have to do with the question in the poll........:thinking

Vietnam helped establish the umbrella of freedom under which the world blossomed.
 
The American people should’ve elected the Great Richard Nixon and then McNamara would never have managed the war. With actual military commanders in charge we could’ve crushed Ho like a bug.

Nixon has direct American blood on his hands. What a stupid post!
 
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