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"russia" Cant Afford Its "New " T 14 so called Armata Tanks, Turns To Updated Older Designs Instead

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Litwin said:
how and why do you try to compere USA/NATO with Nigeria in snow? do you think that they have been or today some how equal ?
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They certainly were equal enough to scare the **** out of the US for decades.

Military equipment has teething problems sometimes. It happens. The M-16 became a decent enough weapon eventually, but early versions were garbage.
 
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Tangmo said:
WW 2 for the Russian Soviet Union occurred on an axis from Moscow to Berlin and from the Baltic to the Asiatic. Indeed, after Japan assured Russia it would stay out of the Russian Far East, the Kremlin shipped forces from east to west, ie, to the Moscow side of the Urals and between Moscow and Berlin.

So as I'd said in my posts you have quoted and danced around, the Russians had of course the home field advantage given Russia only won WW 2 in Russia and nowhere else: Russia did not win WW 2 in the Europe-Med-Alps, Russia did not win WW 2 in North Africa-ME, and Russia did not win WW 2 in the Asia-Pacific to include China and Japan. Russia won WW 2 in Russia and in Russia only. Good on 'em for it yet the Red Army lost 82% percent of its tanks from 1941 through to May 1945.

For Russia World War II occurred in Russia which is where the Russians fought against the German Nazi armies that were on Russian soil since spring 1941 and finally expelled in spring 1945. You as a Russia Fanboy have failed completely to make any case beyond these parameters for Russia in WW II. Your ignorance of history and your love of Russia have become tiresome to the facts that nonetheless withstand the test of time and all comers from the bowels of Russia and the former USSR.
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Berlin is not part of Russia. Romania, Hungary, and Poland are not part of the Russia. Finland is not part of Russia. Claiming that the USSR “only won the fight in Russia” is total nonsense.

Your post being....what? Japan wasn’t interested in going north after the bloody nose they got at Khalkhin Gol.

The USSR did not have the “home field advantage” in the Baltics, in Poland, in Romania and Hungary, and certainly not in Germany. They won anyway. Decisively.

So Berlin is not in Europe anymore? Romania, Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic aren’t European? Good to know :roll:

No amount of bitter whining from you changes the fact that it was Soviet tanks rolling through the streets of Berlin to end the Nazis, nor the fact that the USSR had destroyed the fascists throughout Eastern Europe.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Berlin is not part of Russia. Romania, Hungary, and Poland are not part of the Russia. Finland is not part of Russia. Claiming that the USSR “only won the fight in Russia” is total nonsense.

Your post being....what? Japan wasn’t interested in going north after the bloody nose they got at Khalkhin Gol.

The USSR did not have the “home field advantage” in the Baltics, in Poland, in Romania and Hungary, and certainly not in Germany. They won anyway. Decisively.

So Berlin is not in Europe anymore? Romania, Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic aren’t European? Good to know :roll:

No amount of bitter whining from you changes the fact that it was Soviet tanks rolling through the streets of Berlin to end the Nazis, nor the fact that the USSR had destroyed the fascists throughout Eastern Europe.
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You repeat which continues to keep Russia in WW 2 confined within the borders of the Russian Soviet Union and along a vertical axis from Moscow to a devastated Berlin and on a horizontal axis from the Baltic to the Asiatic, all on Russian soil or immediate waters. USSR won WW 2 in Russia and nowhere else.

As I've said many times, the Russia Fanboys never quit about anything as they will go on interminably and unrelentingly toward the triumph of their will to establish Russia as supreme forever while the USA would be a passing phenomenon. Your statements are feeble while you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
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Litwin said:
LOL. funny if you as a mod really believe in what you just wrote . when we see it in action (PROPS tank ) in Ukraine , Syria , Libya, etc. ?
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The Armata hasn't seen any action yet.
 
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Litwin said:
here i must agree Maskal occupiers killed, (destroyed ) more LITHUANIANs than Germans did

Under Stalin's dictatorship, more than 200,000 Lithuanians were deported to Siberia. Many never returned. Survivors are still waiting for compensation, but Russia doesn't want to remember its prison camps and mass deportations.
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but i 100% sure you like any other stalinist (latent ?) DONT care
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What are "maskal"? Isn't that another slur you are known for?

And the Lithuanians killed Lithuanian Jews in huge numbers.
 
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Tangmo said:
You repeat which continues to keep Russia in WW 2 confined within the borders of the Russian Soviet Union and along a vertical axis from Moscow to a devastated Berlin and on a horizontal axis from the Baltic to the Asiatic, all on Russian soil or immediate waters. USSR won WW 2 in Russia and nowhere else.

As I've said many times, the Russia Fanboys never quit about anything as they will go on interminably and unrelentingly toward the triumph of their will to establish Russia as supreme forever while the USA would be a passing phenomenon. Your statements are feeble while you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Actually the USSR won in all of Nazi Germany's partners in crime. Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Albania, Serbia, Slovakia.

It also won in the East when it attacked Japanese forces in Manchuria after taking out the best Hitler had to offer....
 
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Tangmo said:
You repeat which continues to keep Russia in WW 2 confined within the borders of the Russian Soviet Union and along a vertical axis from Moscow to a devastated Berlin and on a horizontal axis from the Baltic to the Asiatic, all on Russian soil or immediate waters. USSR won WW 2 in Russia and nowhere else.

As I've said many times, the Russia Fanboys never quit about anything as they will go on interminably and unrelentingly toward the triumph of their will to establish Russia as supreme forever while the USA would be a passing phenomenon. Your statements are feeble while you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Poland was not part of the European Soviet Union. Romania and Hungary were not part of the European Soviet Union. Germany certainly wasn’t part of the European Soviet Union. Trying to pretend Eastern Europe is equivalent to the USSR is idiocy, pure and simple. Many of these nations were part of the Axis and participated in the invasion of the USSR.

The Eastern Front was a gargantuan struggle involving the entirety of Eastern Europe and much of Central Europe as well. Trying to pretend that the Soviet Union “only” fighting on the Eastern Front minimizes the scale or importance of the conflict is laughable.

Your tantrum changes none of the facts, nor does your bitter whining change the fact that it was Soviet tanks who wound up rolling through Berlin.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Why don't you learn history.

The Soviets stomped Hitler and his Lithuanian lackies.
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Everywhere you go, you complain vs other posters.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Poland was not part of the European Soviet Union. Romania and Hungary were not part of the European Soviet Union. Germany certainly wasn’t part of the European Soviet Union. Trying to pretend Eastern Europe is equivalent to the USSR is idiocy, pure and simple. Many of these nations were part of the Axis and participated in the invasion of the USSR.

The Eastern Front was a gargantuan struggle involving the entirety of Eastern Europe and much of Central Europe as well. Trying to pretend that the Soviet Union “only” fighting on the Eastern Front minimizes the scale or importance of the conflict is laughable.

Your tantrum changes none of the facts, nor does your bitter whining change the fact that it was Soviet tanks who wound up rolling through Berlin.
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You and Fledermaus constantly berate other posters. Does that make you feel superior?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Poland was not part of the European Soviet Union. Romania and Hungary were not part of the European Soviet Union. Germany certainly wasn’t part of the European Soviet Union. Trying to pretend Eastern Europe is equivalent to the USSR is idiocy, pure and simple. Many of these nations were part of the Axis and participated in the invasion of the USSR.

The Eastern Front was a gargantuan struggle involving the entirety of Eastern Europe and much of Central Europe as well. Trying to pretend that the Soviet Union “only” fighting on the Eastern Front minimizes the scale or importance of the conflict is laughable.

Your tantrum changes none of the facts, nor does your bitter whining change the fact that it was Soviet tanks who wound up rolling through Berlin.
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As I said... Tangmo history will earn you a D if applied to a history test.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
You and Fledermaus constantly berate other posters. Does that make you feel superior?
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Do you have anything to say about the actual, you know, topic?

Or are you just here to cry about your hurt feelings?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Do you have anything to say about the actual, you know, topic?

Or are you just here to cry about your hurt feelings?
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You verified what I said about your posts.
 
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Robertinfremont said:
You verified what I said about your posts.
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Again....why are you on this thread if you have no interest in discussing the subject?
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
The Armata hasn't seen any action yet.
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Not true....it has shown it can be towed away during recovery operations.
 
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The T-14 is indeed a radical departure from previous Soviet models.
 
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Litwin said:
here i must agree Maskal occupiers killed, (destroyed ) more LITHUANIANs than Germans did



Under Stalin's dictatorship, more than 200,000 Lithuanians were deported to Siberia. Many never returned. Survivors are still waiting for compensation, but Russia doesn't want to remember its prison camps and mass deportations.

but i 100% sure you like any other stalinist (latent ?) DONT care
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Out of approximately 208,000–210,000 Jews, an estimated 190,000–195,000 were murdered before the end of World War II, most between June and December 1941. More than 95% of Lithuania's Jewish population was massacred over the three-year German occupation—a more complete destruction than befell any other country affected by the Holocaust. Historians attribute this to the massive collaboration in the genocide by the non-Jewish local paramilitaries, though the reasons for this collaboration are still debated.
 
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Litwin said:
can you give me couple of examples? not soviet (Marxist utopia with its reversing engineering and useful idiots who provided Marxist utopia with our secret technologies for free ) but Russia has a history of making quality tanks
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All of their tanks were quality to a degree, however quality tanks for the soviet union were less produced tanks designed to stay in the rear, tanks like the t-64 t-80 and currently t-14, while often the mass produced tanks like the t-34 t-62 t-72 etc were meant for front lines. Their quality tanks were more expensive, but the soviets often proved them to be too problematic and often fell back to more rugged and proven designs while incorporating tech advantages from the more expensive tanks into the mass produced tanks.

Russia has plans to reform how tanks are used, however the t-14 is not simply a cost issue, it has many issues which is why they are only produced for evaluation purposes, as a tank with major flaws like transmissions exploding or hydraulic failures is not ready for prime time.
 
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Bum said:
Not true....it has shown it can be towed away during recovery operations.
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All joking aside they have been recently sent to syria, russias current favorite testing grounds, so that likely means the exploding transmission issue was corrected and they wanted to test it in a real environment to see what else will fail violently before they let them back on the victory day parade grounds.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Iz u triggurd from the abuse on the other thread?
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Lord knows you abused but hell no. This is a more appropriate forum for you to display intentional ignorance.
 
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beerftw said:
All joking aside they have been recently sent to syria, russias current favorite testing grounds, so that likely means the exploding transmission issue was corrected and they wanted to test it in a real environment to see what else will fail violently before they let them back on the victory day parade grounds.
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Based upon my ( limited) understanding and review of the T14, I believe they may have gone down the path of the Tiger tank, and over engineered it without taking the time to work most of the bugs out....but, you are correct, Syria will serve to be an enlightening proving ground.
 
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Bum said:
Based upon my ( limited) understanding and review of the T14, I believe they may have gone down the path of the Tiger tank, and over engineered it without taking the time to work most of the bugs out....but, you are correct, Syria will serve to be an enlightening proving ground.
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Russia has over engineered some things in the past, many of them become good platforms, however it will be sidelined until they work the bugs out, even if they had a 50 trillion a year budget they likely would not mass produce the armata until they worked all the major bugs out, the transmission was the first major issue shown to the world, given their design it is likely they are struggling with software glitches and targetting systems that may take up to a decade to hit prime time status.

For example russia played around with a tank drone in syria, most of the time it kicked ass, however sometimes it didn't, issues were everywhere showing that despite working in theory in actual tests it likely would have failed any mission due to software issues and hardware issues.
 
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