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`Let’s go home’: Afghan war vets torn on US-Taliban deal

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`Let’s go home’: Afghan war vets torn on US-Taliban deal

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A U.S. Marine fires a heavy machine gun to counter Taliban fire in Helmand province.

2/29/20
Veterans of America’s longest war are finding themselves torn as the U.S. signs a potentially historic peace accord with the Taliban in Afghanistan. For many, the U.S. is long overdue in withdrawing its forces after more than 18 years of fighting. Others question the trustworthiness of the Taliban, whose hard-line government the U.S.-led forces overthrew in 2001. Skeptics worry the Taliban’s re-integration could cause Afghanistan to backslide on such issues as human rights. “If they sign a peace treaty and Afghanistan goes back to the Taliban or Sharia law, then it’s all been for nothing,” said former Army Staff Sgt. Will Blackburn of Hinesville, Georgia. Though doubtful the Taliban will abide by the peace deal, Blackburn said he’s ready for hostilities to end. He first deployed to Afghanistan in 2004 with an infantry unit of the Army’s 10th Mountain Division. A decade later, his son headed overseas for the same fight. “Anything that would get us out of that country, I will support fully,” said Blackburn, 58, who left the Army in 2010. Other Afghanistan veterans interviewed by The Associated Press said that, while the peace deal may not be perfect, it’s time to end the war that began weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks. The toll has been heavy. More than 2,300 U.S. service members have been killed and more than 20,600 others wounded in Afghanistan since the war began in October 2001. Former Sgt. Michael Carrasquillo served as an infantrymen in the Army’s 173rd Airborne Brigade when his unit was ambushed in Afghanistan in 2005. Shot five times while dragging a wounded comrade to safety, Carrasquillo spent the next two years in the hospital and underwent dozens of surgeries. “Peace in any way, shape or form is a good thing,” said Carrasquillo, 36, of Monrovia, Maryland, who leads a support group for wounded veterans through the Wounded Warrior Project. “We don’t want more guys to die or to get injured.”

The peace plan calls for the Trump administration to initially draw down U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan from 13,000 to 8,600, with the remaining American forces withdrawing in 14 months. In return, the Taliban promise not to let extremists use the country to stage attacks on the U.S. or its allies. The Taliban and representatives from Kabul must negotiate a framework for a postwar Afghanistan. “I know the Taliban, and I never thought they could be trustworthy,” said Cmdr. Tom Porter of the U.S. Navy Reserve, who oversaw media operations in Afghanistan during the U.S.-led troop surge that began in 2010. “I know they have a different view of time and history than we do.” Porter said he’s concerned the Taliban could abide by the accord long enough to see American forces leave, then try to wrest control of Afghanistan under an assumption the U.S. won’t be willing to return for another fight. There’s no hesitation from Chris Collins, a former Army Reservist, when asked if it’s time for a U.S. exit. “It’s not worth one more American life,” said Collins, 38. “Enough is enough.” Collins’ unit from Missouri deployed to neighboring Uzbekistan in 2004 to run a supply warehouse for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Returning as a civilian contractor five years later, he concluded little had changed. “Let’s go home,” said Collins, now training to be a nurse. “We can’t stay there forever. They don’t want us there. It’s no different today than it was 18 years ago, essentially.”

As a reward for refraining from murder for 1 week out of 15 years, the Trump administration will sign a peace agreement with the Taliban.

It's over and US forces will begin pulling out shortly. I dearly hope we never have to return in sorrow or anger.

Related: The US Once Wanted Peace in Afghanistan
 
Should we continue pissing into the wind in some country that will never come out of the stone ages?
 
Should we continue pissing into the wind in some country that will never come out of the stone ages?

Nope.

And I'm confident that, as long as Trump is President, we won't. I can't say the same about any of the Dems running for their nomination.

Sounds to me like a good reason to reelect him.
 
what was "learned" by our involvement in vietnam was "re-learned" in afghanistan
please let our nation's leaders figure out that there MUST be a defined objective to be accomplished before going into a war the next time
 
what was "learned" by our involvement in vietnam was "re-learned" in afghanistan
please let our nation's leaders figure out that there MUST be a defined objective to be accomplished before going into a war the next time


Well, if Afghanistan doesn't fall into chaos, we won.

If it falls into chaos, we lost.

We don't know which way it's going to go yet.
 
Well, if Afghanistan doesn't fall into chaos, we won.

If it falls into chaos, we lost.

We don't know which way it's going to go yet.

really? please share with us the beneficial outcome you might expect to result

like vietnam, we will declare victory and sound a quick retreat
 
Well, if Afghanistan doesn't fall into chaos, we won.

If it falls into chaos, we lost.

We don't know which way it's going to go yet.

Given this was negotiated with the Taliban, I have little faith it will work out for the best
 
Given this was negotiated with the Taliban, I have little faith it will work out for the best

It will work out for the Afghans: it is their country.

We never understood that.
 
It will work out for the Afghans: it is their country.

We never understood that.

I think our goal was to defeat Taliban. Instead, we have them a peace deal. Have you forgotten who the Taliban is? Do you think they suddenly love America? We have an enemy that will last longer than our lives.
 
It will work out for the Afghans: it is their country.

We never understood that.

What we really didn't appreciate is that Afghanistan (much like Syria) is a country in name only. It is just a bunch of tribes occupying and skirmishing over the same limited resources
 
really? please share with us the beneficial outcome you might expect to result

like vietnam, we will declare victory and sound a quick retreat


If we leave Afghanistan and if Afghanistan doesn't fall into chaos, we won. Say it's a stable place and doesn't bother its neighbors, what more do you want?

What are your goals for victory?
 
If we leave Afghanistan and if Afghanistan doesn't fall into chaos, we won. Say it's a stable place and doesn't bother its neighbors, what more do you want?

What are your goals for victory?

No one really expects the Afghan government to survive. That's why we didn't even include them in the negotiations.
 
Should we continue pissing into the wind in some country that will never come out of the stone ages?

Only if it enhances the profits of the MIC or allows congress critters to feel like they are making a global difference and expanding democracy. With a few trillion more in US military spending, in another decade (or so) Afghanistan may have its second major paved roadway if we "stay the course".
 
what was "learned" by our involvement in vietnam was "re-learned" in afghanistan
please let our nation's leaders figure out that there MUST be a defined objective to be accomplished before going into a war the next time

And to accomplish that objective, we should be willing to do what it takes to win. In Afghanistan, that would have meant following the taliban into the Pakistan tribal areas and preventing them from regrouping and re-arming if necessary. If we do not cut off the enemy's resupply routes, what's the point?
 
And to accomplish that objective, we should be willing to do what it takes to win. In Afghanistan, that would have meant following the taliban into the Pakistan tribal areas and preventing them from regrouping and re-arming if necessary. If we do not cut off the enemy's resupply routes, what's the point?

"We should have been willing to go to war with a nuclear armed nation in order to prove we can win".
 
Well, if Afghanistan doesn't fall into chaos, we won.

If it falls into chaos, we lost.

We don't know which way it's going to go yet.

Don’t care either, I was in the sand pit, it’s a waste of US resources.
 
Given this was negotiated with the Taliban, I have little faith it will work out for the best

If it means that American youth aren't wasted on some 12th century country .........................then it's a win.
 
If it means that American youth aren't wasted on some 12th century country .........................then it's a win.

The majority of American wars come down to wasting the youth. America needs to rethink and decide its role in international relations. Spreading freedom through war is not logical. Starting such wars and then pulling out, leaving the Taliban in charge, is probably not the best idea either.
 
Should we continue pissing into the wind in some country that will never come out of the stone ages?

Only if we "civilize"em with a Krag" so the old song goes. If not, then let's get the **** out.
 
The majority of American wars come down to wasting the youth. America needs to rethink and decide its role in international relations. Spreading freedom through war is not logical. Starting such wars and then pulling out, leaving the Taliban in charge, is probably not the best idea either.

You don't serve, and never have.

You don't have the right to say to say that it's OK for soldiers die, and if we stay there........................they will die.

Trump is right and you are totally wrong.
 
what was "learned" by our involvement in vietnam was "re-learned" in afghanistan
please let our nation's leaders figure out that there MUST be a defined objective to be accomplished before going into a war the next time

What do you think Bush attempted to do in Afghanistan? I had no clue when it came to Obama.

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Given this was negotiated with the Taliban, I have little faith it will work out for the best


A completely dishonest sect making a deal with a president who has never kept a promise or even ever told the truth In his life.

What could possibly go wrong???
 
what was "learned" by our involvement in vietnam was "re-learned" in afghanistan
please let our nation's leaders figure out that there MUST be a defined objective to be accomplished before going into a war the next time
Two completely different problems along with two completely different set of complicated solutions. In Vietnam...our leaders lacked the political will to kick North Vietnam s ass......and so the war was a ridiculous game of lines and strategies. In Afghanistan, the war objective was relatively straightforward...defeat the Taliban and oust them from Afghanistan's government and let the country govern itself. Where we screwed up, both in Afghanistan and Iraq, is we should have given them a drop dead date of 5 years and let them know we were out of there one way or the other and they would either build a successful government and thrive or go right back to the way it was...their choice. Our job should never have been to create a democracy in either of those countries. Oust a brutal dictatorship and give them a chance to hit the reset button. We did that a long time ago.
 
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.”

― John Lydgate
 
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