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US Agrees to Reduce Forces in Afghanistan ‘If Taliban Live up To Their Commitments’

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US Agrees to Reduce Forces in Afghanistan ‘If Taliban Live up To Their Commitments’

The tests will begin with a seven-day ceasefire to start “very soon,” a senior U.S. administration official told reporters.

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2/14/20
MUNICH – The United States and the Taliban have reached an agreement for a seven-day ceasefire that will start “very soon,” a senior administration official revealed on Friday, adding that that the U.S. has agreed to reduce its military presence in the country “if the Taliban live up to their commitments.” U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Mark Esper met with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani at the Munich Security Conference on Friday, along with Amb. Zalmay Khalizad, lead negotiator of the agreement, and Gen. Scott Miller. “The reduction-of-violence agreement is very specific,” the senior administration official, who was not authorized to speak on the record, told reporters at the Munich Security Conference. “It includes everything — roadside bombs, suicide bombs, rocket attacks – that’s all written out.”

Who are they crapping?

Kabul is the next April, 1975 Fall Of Saigon.

Related: Taliban kill five Afghan soldiers despite violence reduction hopes
 
Afghanistan is in Europe's backyard. It takes like 8 hours to drive from Afghanistan to Moscow or Berlin.

We can't let Afghanistan fall into chaos again. If we do, it will cost us a lot of lives and a lot of money to restore order again.
 
This is not going to be a popular opinion and I am sure I will get all kinds of grief for saying it but... the only thing a "seven-day ceasefire" does is delay with someone will be killed.

We have no reason to believe that the Taliban will all of a sudden become peaceful, and we have even less reason to believe the **** show (aka our greater Middle East area foreign policy) will improve.

They can write out all they want, meaningless for this area of the world.

No one trusts anyone else.
 
US Agrees to Reduce Forces in Afghanistan ‘If Taliban Live up To Their Commitments’

The tests will begin with a seven-day ceasefire to start “very soon,” a senior U.S. administration official told reporters.

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Who are they crapping?

Kabul is the next April, 1975 Fall Of Saigon.

Related: Taliban kill five Afghan soldiers despite violence reduction hopes

Super.....we failed and failed completely....Now it is The New Chinese Empires turn....maybe they do better......but regardless it is time for us to go.
 
Afghanistan is in Europe's backyard. It takes like 8 hours to drive from Afghanistan to Moscow or Berlin.

We can't let Afghanistan fall into chaos again. If we do, it will cost us a lot of lives and a lot of money to restore order again.

Its over, we failed....acceptance must come.
 
US Agrees to Reduce Forces in Afghanistan ‘If Taliban Live up To Their Commitments’

The tests will begin with a seven-day ceasefire to start “very soon,” a senior U.S. administration official told reporters.

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Who are they crapping?

Kabul is the next April, 1975 Fall Of Saigon.

Related: Taliban kill five Afghan soldiers despite violence reduction hopes

Either Give Us What We Want, Or We Will Give You What You Want, So Take That!

Super Duper Negotiating, there, Fellas! :thumbs:
 
Afghanistan is in Europe's backyard. It takes like 8 hours to drive from Afghanistan to Moscow or Berlin.

What the ****

Dude, the drive from Kabul to Moscow is 58 hours.

We can't let Afghanistan fall into chaos again. If we do, it will cost us a lot of lives and a lot of money to restore order again.

Right, we need to keep doing what we're doing right now which is costing lives and money in an effort to restore order.
 
Afghanistan is in Europe's backyard. It takes like 8 hours to drive from Afghanistan to Moscow or Berlin.

We can't let Afghanistan fall into chaos again. If we do, it will cost us a lot of lives and a lot of money to restore order again.

Afghanistan is 2,000 miles from Moscow. It would take 20 hours to drive that distance even assuming you could drive non-stop at 100 miles per hour for the entire distance.

Berlin is even further.
 
Afghanistan is in Europe's backyard. It takes like 8 hours to drive from Afghanistan to Moscow or Berlin.

We can't let Afghanistan fall into chaos again. If we do, it will cost us a lot of lives and a lot of money to restore order again.

Check a map, FFS. Moscow is over 3000 kilometers and Berlin is farther west. What are you driving?
 
And the hilarity continues.

Where is the exit strategy for Afghanistan?!?!?!?!

Administration: Fine, here is the exit strategy.

Why are we leaving so soon?!?!?! We need to stay forever!

Is why I just sit back and laugh anymore.

And I saw very clearly "Seven day cease-fire", then a drawdown. This is not the 1973 Paris Peace Accord, nor the 1975 abandonment of our treaty.
 
Check a map, FFS. Moscow is over 3000 kilometers and Berlin is farther west. What are you driving?

Maybe he's in the new Space Force :mrgreen:
 
This administration cannot do a single thing competently.
 
Afghanistan is in Europe's backyard. It takes like 8 hours to drive from Afghanistan to Moscow or Berlin.

We can't let Afghanistan fall into chaos again. If we do, it will cost us a lot of lives and a lot of money to restore order again.

And we wonder why bin Laden was so pissed.
 
It's a start, even if it done in a ham-handed and precipitous way by an administration led by an idiot. The US will leave, Kabul will fall soon after and Afghanistan will descend into internal strife until a new faction (likely the Taliban) rises to the top. But then the abuses of the Taliban/other faction will eventually condition the Afghan people to reject Islamic extremism and an emergent secular Afghanistan becomes a possibility once again. It will take time, it will be bloody, millions will suffer under oppression, but perhaps it's necessary in order to make the leap into the 21st Century (CE).

Once done, the US should also pull out of Syria and then Iraq, in order to let the Middle East bleed a little more and then heal.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
This is not the 1973 Paris Peace Accord, nor the 1975 abandonment of our treaty.

That is, in fact, precisely the parallel being drawn, though in 1973 perhaps our government was less credulous than it is today.
 
It's a start, even if it done in a ham-handed and precipitous way by an administration led by an idiot. The US will leave, Kabul will fall soon after and Afghanistan will descend into internal strife until a new faction (likely the Taliban) rises to the top. But then the abuses of the Taliban/other faction will eventually condition the Afghan people to reject Islamic extremism and an emergent secular Afghanistan becomes a possibility once again. It will take time, it will be bloody, millions will suffer under oppression, but perhaps it's necessary in order to make the leap into the 21st Century (CE).

Once done, the US should also pull out of Syria and then Iraq, in order to let the Middle East bleed a little more and then heal.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

You mean like in Syria and Iraq?

This is the problem. You do not even see that Fundamentalist groups do not respect things like that. They have a "kill everybody that does not agree with us" approach, and there is no way a small internal group can rise up and defeat that kind of enemy on their own. History has proven this over and over again.

It took Vietnam to invade to topple the Khmer Rouge. It took another coalition to help defeat ISIS in Syria and Iraq. It took the Allied powers to defeat Germany in WWII. We know of the millions of deaths in North Korea, and it still stands decades later. When a government comes in that tyrannical and despotic, it simply can not be defeated from within.

Once again, you talk a great game, but all of history is against your claims.
 
That is, in fact, precisely the parallel being drawn, though in 1973 perhaps our government was less credulous than it is today.

I do believe that when we signed the treaty, we would have stepped in if needed. But by 1975, that will had evaporated. The same kind of "Peace At Any Cost" mindset came in, and like in the 1930's we threw away another nation just for "peace".

And millions died.

The lesson to me is that you really can not trust Communist nations to keep their promises.
 
Anyone who expected the 1973 Treaty of Paris to last was a fool. We all knew it would eventually be broken, and our offer of support was to get South Vietnam to agree to it even though they were strongly against the terms because they correctly recognized the treaty for what it was; a way out for the US.

Everyone knows the Afghan government won't last; it's too rotten and corrupt to stand on it's own for any longer than a few years. Whoever finally authorizes the withdrawal will have to deal with the impending return of the Taliban and all the blood that will come with it.

Or we can stay there ad infinitum. Either way is a guarantee for more lives lost and wasted resources.
 
I do believe that when we signed the treaty, we would have stepped in if needed. But by 1975, that will had evaporated. The same kind of "Peace At Any Cost" mindset came in, and like in the 1930's we threw away another nation just for "peace".

And millions died.

The lesson to me is that you really can not trust Communist nations to keep their promises.
I would say that we should extend the same lack of Trust to Islamist radicals with decades of intermingling with terrorist organizations.

But, instead, State is pitching that the Taliban will be our counter-terror partner in country :roll:

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I would say that we should extend the same lack of Trust to Islamist radicals with decades of intermingling with terrorist organizations.

But, instead, State is pitching that the Taliban will be our counter-terror partner in country :roll:

And my response to anybody that thinks this is "Are they nucking futs"?

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Just look at what the Taliban was like the last time they were in control of Afghanistan. I know most completely ignored Afghanistan in the time between the Soviets leaving and 9-11, but I did not.

I watched in horror as they destroyed 1,400 year old cultural artifacts which were part of a UN protected historical and cultural site. I watched as they would stone women simply because divorce was not allowed and their husband wanted to marry somebody else. I watched them turn women into essentially slaves, unable to do things like go to school, drive, or work.

I watched as they used assassination to kill the leader of the organization that was successfully fighting against them.

I do not trust the Taliban. Like Hezbollah, they will make any promise, and feel free to break it at any time in the future if it serves their goals. And their goal is nothing less than making Afghanistan into a fundamentalist nation that follows their version of Sharia law. And it is not even Sharia Law I am distrusting. If they were to somehow become a Theocracy, which allowed all an equal say and guaranteed the rights of everybody regardless of faith I would probably support it. But history has shown us that they would not do that, they would take total control and exclude or kill anybody that does not accept their beliefs.

I am a huge believer in "Self Determination", so long as it takes into consideration the rights of others who do not follow the majority. The framework of the country actually matters little to me, only that the rights of all are respected. We have seen benevolent dictators, Marshal Tito comes to mind there. He largely left Yugoslavia alone, so long as they did not try to persecute those in other regions. A brutal dictator, who even went after those of his own region if they stepped out of line.

Democracy, Republicanism, Monarchy, Oligarchy, Theocracy, Dictatorship, even Communist. To me it does not matter, so long as the rights of individuals are protected and guaranteed. And the biggest laugh in the idea of trusting the Taliban is that they ultimately are the inspiration for those other more radical groups like ISIS we have seen in the last decade. ISIS started as a bastard stepchild of al-Qaeda, but it must be remembered that al-Qaeda was essentially the intelligence and Special Operations arm of the Taliban government. And groups like ISIS (regardless of claimed paternity) are essentially following the framework of the original Taliban government.

It would be like overthrowing the government of North Korea, but leaving the party in control. Anybody thinking they would not install another dictator as brutal as the Kim Dynasty (or even another surviving member) and not continue exactly as it has for the last half century is an idiot.
 
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The greatest military plagued with bad commanders

What a disaster, we have to start pulling out
 
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