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WH memo: No mention of imminent threat

EMNofSeattle said:
Oh now we’re going to quote some guy who’s not a subject matter expert on Iran?

Quoting some millenia old book is not an argument here, the legitimacy of a military retaliation against Iran is 100 % irrelevant to what some long dead Chinese guy thinks
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Way to miss the ****ing point dude. I know the bar was low but Jesus man I can't believe you actually typed that out and hit post.

If you don't understand the nature of our relationship with Iran and why things are the way they are in the first place you are part of the problem. I'd hate to think that your mindset is reflective of our senior leadership, but it would explain why our Middle East policy has been such a cluster **** for the past thirty years.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
What an incredibly suitable mindset to plunge headfirst into nonstop war and violence that steadily drains our resources and energy.

Thank God you don't have any actual power in this world. God forbid our leadership was composed of people who don't have the faintest clue about why our relations are the way they are and how the world works.
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You make the mistake of assUming Trump knows and cares as little as I do.

Trump knows all the reasons and chose to strike, his decision is all I need. I only care about the morality and it’s obvious we were morally justified in blasting him. And the elected president chose to do so.

Now you’re obfuscating with irrelevant nonsense because you don’t like Trump.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You make the mistake of assUming Trump knows and cares as little as I do.

Trump knows all the reasons and chose to strike, his decision is all I need. I only care about the morality and it’s obvious we were morally justified in blasting him. And the elected president chose to do so.

Now you’re obfuscating with irrelevant nonsense because you don’t like Trump.
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So basically, you don't know jack **** about this situation at all, but you still feel the need to spread your uneducated opinion about here and think you're in a position to question or suggest policy that directly impacts the lives of millions of people.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah so what? If clouds were purple then dandelions are cats. That statement is about as sensical as your BS about Iran downing the airliner.

No Iran wouldn’t have downed it if they had competent military and air traffic control authorities. Our actions against them before hand are 100% irrelevant.
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It's being questioned everywhere...the OP is a result of it. :roll:

The nonsense is your mind locked up by a religious cult and unable to evaluate information that the cult didnt distribute.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
So basically, you don't know jack **** about this situation at all, but you still feel the need to spread your uneducated opinion about here and think you're in a position to question or suggest policy that directly impacts the lives of millions of people.
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I trust the president to make the correct decision and regard your little tangents as irrelevant background noise from someone with a personal animus against the president.

That would be the correct way to summarize my views.

And my trust has proven well placed, we’re not at war with Iran, the Iranians have suffered massive blows to their regimes stability, theyve backed off illegally boarding foreign ships, etc

And you’re sitting here quoting Sun Freaking Tzu as though its an argument.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I trust the president to make the correct decision and regard your little tangents as irrelevant background noise from someone with a personal animus against the president.

That would be the correct way to summarize my views.

And my trust has proven well placed, we’re not at war with Iran, the Iranians have suffered massive blows to their regimes stability, theyve backed off illegally boarding foreign ships, etc

And you’re sitting here quoting Sun Freaking Tzu as though its an argument.
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If you really think we've struck some kind of mortal blow against Iran and that any moment now the Ayatollah will be overthrown and the Islamic Republic will be no more, then you truly are hopeless.

Continue to fantasize about the idea that the President actually has this all planned out. I didn't even mention him until now but in your desperation to prove you're a loyal follower I didn't need to.

Also, if you think are problems in the Middle East began with Trump, you truly are lost.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
If you really think we've struck some kind of mortal blow against Iran and that any moment now the Ayatollah will be overthrown and the Islamic Republic will be no more, then you truly are hopeless.

Continue to fantasize about the idea that the President actually has this all planned out. I didn't even mention him until now but in your desperation to prove you're a loyal follower I didn't need to.

Also, if you think are problems in the Middle East began with Trump, you truly are lost.
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Jredbaron96:

You can bring a metaphorical horse to water, you might even get it to drink, but you can't get it to think and discuss foreign policy intelligently. I applaud your efforts however.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Your point? Seriously?

Which do you think carries more weight in the international sphere and can influence national perceptions and relations, the view point of a single private citizen or the statement of a US government agency?
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Are you under the mistaken impression that we somehow represent the government in question? We are exchanging our views and you are making an appeal to authority stating my viewpoint doesn't count because it doesn't agree with an incident from over 40 years ago. Ludicrous, really. The view of a single private citizen counts for a lot---on an internet message board where we are exchanging viewpoints.
 
Lursa said:
Why shouldnt he be held accountable for irresponsible actions (no imminent threat found) and lying (on same)?
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Because IRAN is responsible for what Iran does. This is just a hate America first argument with a new paint job because Trump is involved.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Because IRAN is responsible for what Iran does. This is just a hate America first argument with a new paint job because Trump is involved.
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OpportunityCost:

Does the same apply to America, Britain, France, Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Russia? Regrettably no. And there lies the problem. Why should Iran be held responsible for its actions when other powers operating in the region are not?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Lursa said:
Why shouldnt he be held accountable for irresponsible actions (no imminent threat found) and lying (on same)?
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OpportunityCost said:
Because IRAN is responsible for what Iran does. This is just a hate America first argument with a new paint job because Trump is involved.
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That is not an answer to the question asked, about his unsupported (and as such, irresponsible) action and lying about it.

Try again or will you bob and weave some more? Or maybe just provide more excuses for The Donald?
 
OpportunityCost said:
Are you under the mistaken impression that we somehow represent the government in question? We are exchanging our views and you are making an appeal to authority stating my viewpoint doesn't count because it doesn't agree with an incident from over 40 years ago. Ludicrous, really. The view of a single private citizen counts for a lot---on an internet message board where we are exchanging viewpoints.
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No, we're discussing the basis for the state of relations with regards to Iran and the US. If you want to state your personal opinion feel free, but in the matters of actual policy, history, and international ramifications then yes we need to focus on more than just the opinions of you and I.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I agree. Soleimani was a pond scum terrorist that sent others in suicide vests to kill others. So, do you believe he should have been killed?
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It's a matter of how beneficial it will be for us? I wouldn't pretend to be able to make that assessment at the moment.
 
dave8383 said:
It's a matter of how beneficial it will be for us? I wouldn't pretend to be able to make that assessment at the moment.
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Its disrupted a lot of operations throughout the Middle East. Soleimani was an anchor for a lot of their intelligence operations.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
No, we're discussing the basis for the state of relations with regards to Iran and the US. If you want to state your personal opinion feel free, but in the matters of actual policy, history, and international ramifications then yes we need to focus on more than just the opinions of you and I.
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LMAO, that's just because its convenient for you, its easy to say go with the conventional wisdom when it agrees with you. What a cop out.
 
Lursa said:
That is not an answer to the question asked, about his unsupported (and as such, irresponsible) action and lying about it.

Try again or will you bob and weave some more? Or maybe just provide more excuses for The Donald?
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I don't know what you think you are trying to do, but I didn't jump in here until you started in with your blame shifting horse****.

Its not excuses for the Donald, its that Soleimani deserved to die if he planned the death of even one American. So time you find out where you stand, do you agree or disagree with that? Is there any American death that isn't worth killing Soleimani over?
 
Evilroddy said:
OpportunityCost:

Does the same apply to America, Britain, France, Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Russia? Regrettably no. And there lies the problem. Why should Iran be held responsible for its actions when other powers operating in the region are not?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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My line is terrorism. Iran foments terrorism. They use it as a political tool to wield power in the region. For perspective, when the US shot down that civilian Iranian craft, that's on us, it should not have happened. The same applies to Iran. Not just in regards to the airplane but using proxies to keep their hands clean publicly when they kill civilians and use terrorism.
 
Rogue Valley said:
White House memo on Soleimani strike makes no mention of imminent threat



Yet another Trump/WH lie that led to the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines flight PS-752 killing all 167 aboard and 109 US soldiers in Iraq affected with traumatic brain injury (TBI) from an Iranian missile attack.

Trump needed a distraction with the beginning of the Senate impeachment trial and House Managers presenting evidence for the two Articles of Impeachment.

All of this death and suffering resulted from a dishonest Trump strike-predicate.
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He was just joking when he used the word imminent. Ask any trump supporter.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I don't know what you think you are trying to do, but I didn't jump in here until you started in with your blame shifting horse****.

Its not excuses for the Donald, its that Soleimani deserved to die if he planned the death of even one American. So time you find out where you stand, do you agree or disagree with that? Is there any American death that isn't worth killing Soleimani over?
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You are very emotional over the challenging of your authority figure.

It shouldnt have been that hard to answer honestly.
 
Lursa said:
You are very emotional over the challenging of your authority figure.

It shouldnt have been that hard to answer honestly.
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You don't answer anything put to you, so why the **** do you believe you deserve any answer whatsoever?

Again, was there a single American death that didn't warrant a death sentence for Soleimani?
 
bongsaway said:
Here's some serious commentary. Trump lied to all americans again...and once again the right will dismiss it.
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I don't dismiss it. Nevertheless Soleimani earned his death or do you dispute that?
 
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