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Kenya Base ‘Surprisingly’ Undefended During Attack, US Officials Say

Africa has a population of 1.3 billion. Aren't there enough Africans willing to defend other Africans?
 
BahamaBob said:
I'm with 72. We are not the world's police force. Why should Americans be dying to stop something that has been going on for centuries? It is time for Africans to step up for their own children.
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If you are walking down a street and see a woman getting beaten and raped do you ignore it or intervene?
 
VanceMack said:
If you are walking down a street and see a woman getting beaten and raped do you ignore it or intervene?
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Yeah, but that would be happening where you are at the time. You wouldn't hear about rape in Tibet, travel there with that in mind, and try to intervein if you saw one would you?
 
dave8383 said:
Yeah, but that would be happening where you are at the time. You wouldn't hear about rape in Tibet, travel there with that in mind, and try to intervein if you saw one would you?
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What difference does it make. You dont know that woman that you are about to step in to defend, have no connection to her, no loyalty to her, and yet without questioning your own safety and well being you would step in. Why?
 
dave8383 said:
You don't see a difference between defending someone in your own neighborhood and traveling around the world because you heard about rape in Kathmandu?
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You dont know that woman that you are about to step in to defend, have no connection to her, no loyalty to her, and yet without questioning your own safety and well being you would step in. Why?

We can address the 'difference' in a second...but first...WHY would you put your very life at risk to save someone, even if it is happening where you are, that is a total stranger to you?
 
VanceMack said:
You dont know that woman that you are about to step in to defend, have no connection to her, no loyalty to her, and yet without questioning your own safety and well being you would step in. Why?

We can address the 'difference' in a second...but first...WHY would you put your very life at risk to save someone, even if it is happening where you are, that is a total stranger to you?
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Sure pal, you spend the money and time away from work to travel to Zimbabwe and look around for a women being raped.
 
dave8383 said:
Sure pal, you spend the money and time away from work to travel to Zimbabwe and look around for a women being raped.
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Its really a very direct and honest question. I'm not sure why you are having a hard time answering it. Heck...I imagine your answer would even be honorable. So....you dont know that woman that you are about to step in to defend, have no connection to her, no loyalty to her, and yet without questioning your own safety and well being you would step in. Why?

Why would you put your life at risk for a total stranger being beaten and raped?
 
VanceMack said:
Its really a very direct and honest question. I'm not sure why you are having a hard time answering it. Heck...I imagine your answer would even be honorable. So....you dont know that woman that you are about to step in to defend, have no connection to her, no loyalty to her, and yet without questioning your own safety and well being you would step in. Why?

Why would you put your life at risk for a total stranger being beaten and raped?
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The point is this. We don't go to Africa to defend Africans. We go to Africa to defend Americans.
 
dave8383 said:
The point is this. We don't go to Africa to defend Africans. We go to Africa to defend Americans.
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I dont think thats the point. The point is you say you are willing to risk your life to help a total stranger that is getting beaten and/or raped. Why?
 
VanceMack said:
I dont think thats the point. The point is you say you are willing to risk your life to help a total stranger that is getting beaten and/or raped. Why?
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The point is why are our troops in other places, such as Africa? And the answer is to defend America.
 
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dave8383 said:
The point is why are our troops in other places, such as Africa? And the answer is to defend America.
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Your refusal to answer speaks volumes of your integrity and ultimately, what you know about your own position. Sadly...you arent making your position stronger....you are making it much much weaker.
 
VanceMack said:
Your refusal to answer speaks volumes of your integrity and ultimately, what you know about your own position. Sadly...you arent making your position stronger....you are making it much much weaker.
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What on earth are you talking about?
 
dave8383 said:
What on earth are you talking about?
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Simple question...obvious refusal to answer.

You say you are willing to risk your life to help a total stranger that is getting beaten and/or raped. Why?
 
VanceMack said:
Simple question...obvious refusal to answer.

You say you are willing to risk your life to help a total stranger that is getting beaten and/or raped. Why?
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Excuse me, this thread is about our troops in Africa. Some have asked why we're there? Some have said we're there to protect people who can't protect themselves. I say we are there because some policymakers think it's in our own best interest. What trip your on I have no idea.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Kenya Base ‘Surprisingly’ Undefended During Attack, US Officials Say

The Jan. 5. attack by al-Shabaab that killed three Americans came as the Pentagon considers a further drawdown of its African presence.

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The test was certainly going to come. al-Shabaab has previously carried out a string of attacks within Kenya. Three Americans are dead as testament that Camp Simba security was only half-hearted.
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But how can we make this Trump's fault?
 
Thoreau72 said:
To paraphrase Bush Sr., what do intra-African affairs have to do with the US? Why should I care about power struggles and revolutions in Africa?
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Because islamic terrorism in africa does spread elsewhere, as well as disrupt trade between africa and other continents.

But america does not have a direct defensive need to be in africa so much as a strategic desire to be there, hence why we are not sending occupation forces there but rather sending trainers and logistic support to aid african armies so they do not collapse to rebel and terrorist orgs.

Considering how little we have had to have for boots on the ground in africa it seems the current strategy is lower risk than in the middle east.
 
dave8383 said:
Excuse me, this thread is about our troops in Africa. Some have asked why we're there? Some have said we're there to protect people who can't protect themselves. I say we are there because some policymakers think it's in our own best interest. What trip your on I have no idea.
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Its about the 'Why' isnt it. You claim you would have no problem risking your life to help a total stranger that is getting beaten and/or raped. Why?
 
RobertU said:
Africa has a population of 1.3 billion. Aren't there enough Africans willing to defend other Africans?
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The population of Europe was over 700 million in 1942. Were there not enough Europeans willing to defend other Europeans?
 
dave8383 said:
The point is this. We don't go to Africa to defend Africans. We go to Africa to defend Americans.
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Why not? I have no problemgoing to another country to help defend them. I do not place value on the lives of others based purely on where they live.
 
beerftw said:
Because islamic terrorism in africa does spread elsewhere, as well as disrupt trade between africa and other continents.

But america does not have a direct defensive need to be in africa so much as a strategic desire to be there, hence why we are not sending occupation forces there but rather sending trainers and logistic support to aid african armies so they do not collapse to rebel and terrorist orgs.

Considering how little we have had to have for boots on the ground in africa it seems the current strategy is lower risk than in the middle east.
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This is actually the original mission of "Special Forces". To train indigenous forces so they can more effectively fight for themselves. That is what we did in Greece, and South Korea and in South Vietnam. They asked us to do that in Afghanistan after the Soviets left, and we refused. And we all know what happened there afterwards.
 
VanceMack said:
Its about the 'Why' isnt it. You claim you would have no problem risking your life to help a total stranger that is getting beaten and/or raped. Why?
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Let know when you get to South Africa to help slow down the number of rapes.

The ten countries with the highest rates of rape (number of incidents per 100,000 citizens) are:

South Africa (132.4)
Botswana (92.9)
Lesotho (82.7)
Swaziland (77.5)
Bermuda (67.3)
Sweden (63.5)
Suriname (45.2)
Costa Rica (36.7)
Nicaragua (31.6)
Grenada (30.6)
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dave8383 said:
Purely altruistic, with no benefit to us? Give me an example.
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You see, here is your mistake.

When you say "us", what you really mean is "you". And here is the thing, I could not give a damn about you.

But this does exhibit my belief quite clearly. Far to many people in the world today are arrogant self-absorbed twits, and could not give a damn about anybody but themselves.

Give you an example? Example of what exactly? The years I spent assisting the homeless because I thought it was a good thing to do and of no benefit to myself? My rejoining the military at 42, and still serving at 55 even though I could have retired a few years ago? My attempting to get more deployments to other areas, including Africa?

I am sorry that you are apparently such a bitter and empty person, that has absolutely no empathy for others. And refuses to believe that others may have a great amount of empathy and want to help others for no other reason that to help others. It must really be a sad existence to live a life like that.

But hey, feel free to read my tagline and contemplate it. It has been up there for well over a decade, and it is something I fully believe in. If you can't understand that, then there is nothing we can discuss.
 
Oozlefinch said:
You see, here is your mistake.

Give you an example? Example of what exactly? The years I spent assisting the homeless because I thought it was a good thing to do and of no benefit to myself? My rejoining the military at 42, and still serving at 55 even though I could have retired a few years ago? My attempting to get more deployments to other areas, including Africa?
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See, here's your mistake. That's for you. You do those things because you want to and it's self-serving. I am sorry that you are apparently such a bitter and empty person, that has absolutely no desire to do things strictly for others unless you can brag about it. However, like you, we don't send our military around the world on purely altruistic missions.
 
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