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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    If Saudi Arabia had no oil, would US defend it? If Iraq and Kuwait had no oil, would the US have jumped in? The US wants to intervene in Venezuela, another country that has oil, but how about intervening in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras? Oh, but they don’t have oil. Saudi Arabia is 40% of OPEC and a key pillar of the Petrodollar which was forced down their throats in 1974. As usual, it's all about money.

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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    There seem to be a number of fundamental concepts about America, democracy, and the rule of law that just don't click for Donnie.

    He just doesn't get why this is a big deal.
    "Aren't those troops America's property to be exported at a profit?"
    Donald Trump is a crooked real estate developer, and the son of a shady real estate developer.

    This is the way guys like him conduct themselves.

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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I do not mind being in the minority on this.

    I should preface this by saying I am no supporter of Trump or Republicans these days, usually take a cynical attitude about our activities across the greater Middle East region of the world, and generally am harsh on the idea of the US being the de facto world's police department.

    That said, I am taken aback by a President asking for another nation who benefits from our military activity anyway to pick up some of the check.

    Where I am stuck on all this is Trump is now the 5th President... in a row... to drop a bomb on Iraq for whatever reason and the 7th President... again, in a row... in having to deal with Iraq or Iran because of all our activity elsewhere in the region. Notwithstanding from this discussion is our own history with both Israel and Saudi Arabia, which has come with entangling alliances and consequences keeping us in this region of the world for an unforeseen future.

    Any of you are welcome to check my post history here in the forums on this subject and you will find the occasional post where I mention the cost in lives, the fiscal cost to our debt position, and the impacts to generation after generation of all those we send over to that area of the world for whatever reason.

    Our soldiers have been outright abused by President after President, with a few that standout for various reasons... like Bush 43 and Clinton for that matter.

    Principled and moral intentions with all this activity, up for debate.

    So now we have ole President orange tan suggesting that Saudi Arabia pick up some of the tab that all to often ends up right on the voter or national credit card (or both)... and there is outrage over our soldiers being treated as paid fighters and mercenaries.

    I am sorry, I do not buy it.

    Our soldiers have been bought and paid for all along the way, it is absent all reality that even if Saudi Arabia picks up some of this tab that all of a sudden it is the first time the US has financially benefited in some way from warfare in this region with someone we call a bad guy (often that we once called a good guy.)

    You guys today all upset about this are being hypocritical and shelving the reality of our confusing, entangling, and hypocritical foreign policy for this area of the world going back generations now.
    I largely agree with you, with a couple of exceptions.

    I don’t “ take a cynical attitude about our activities across the greater Middle East region of the world, and generally am harsh on the idea of the US being the de facto world's police department.” That is the responsibility that comes with world power. Americans, particularly the parochial reactionary right, do not understand that.

    The key is exercising that power with responsibility and restraint.

    The best argument for that approach is to look at what happens when we behave impulsively, unilaterally and without any sense of global responsibility. You can see what that looks like on your TV right now.

    As to the “confusing, entangling, and hypocritical US foreign policy in the Middle East, one word ties it all together.

    Oil.

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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia for money?

    Is there a immediate threat going on in this backwards and savage empire that warrants Trump adding troops? Trump said that he wasn't interested in making new wars, and ending prolonged wars. But he is going to send troops to SA? To what end?

    And then Trump demanding money in exchange?

    Trump's curious defense for deploying more troops to Saudi Arabia | MSNBC

    WTF Donnie?
    The troops are there because we want them there and the Saudi's are paying because they can afford it.

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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by dave8383 View Post
    The troops are there because we want them there and the Saudi's are paying because they can afford it.
    I doubt that the Saudis are paying anything.

    This is just some BS Trump just made up because it plays to his flat earth base.

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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomFitz View Post
    I doubt that the Saudis are paying anything.

    This is just some BS Trump just made up because it plays to his flat earth base.

    Maybe, but the Saudi's have a history of paying. They paid a large amount of the bill for Gulf War 1.

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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    Trump sending troops to Saudi Arabia for money?

    Is there a immediate threat going on in this backwards and savage empire that warrants Trump adding troops? Trump said that he wasn't interested in making new wars, and ending prolonged wars. But he is going to send troops to SA? To what end?

    And then Trump demanding money in exchange?

    Trump's curious defense for deploying more troops to Saudi Arabia | MSNBC

    WTF Donnie?
    I'm all for the Saudis paying the tab. Part of it, anyway.
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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm all for the Saudis paying the tab. Part of it, anyway.
    Maybe Nato participating countries alongside US troops in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa and Nato forces in the Arabian Sea participating in anti piracy duties and guarding the Strait of Hormuz might start demanding the US pay 'em for their services or they split.

    If Trump wants to make everything into a real estate transaction with an ocean view in some instances then maybe that's where it all will go.
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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    Maybe Nato participating countries alongside US troops in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Horn of Africa and Nato forces in the Arabian Sea participating in anti piracy duties and guarding the Strait of Hormuz might start demanding the US pay 'em for their services or they split.

    If Trump wants to make everything into a real estate transaction with an ocean view in some instances then maybe that's where it all will go.
    Well, those countries would have to start paying their fair share, for starters. The United States is alreasy paying the lion's share of the bills in NATO.
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    Re: I Gotta Go With The Democrats On This One.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, those countries would have to start paying their fair share, for starters. The United States is alreasy paying the lion's share of the bills in NATO.
    It's a pay to play jungle out there that Trump's taking us into innit.
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