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Pentagon Concerned Russia Cultivating Sympathy Among US Troops

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Pentagon Concerned Russia Cultivating Sympathy Among US Troops

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U.S. soldiers wait for a speech by U.S. President Donald Trump as he meets U.S. troops based in Osan Air Base,
South Korea, June 30, 2019.


VOA News
12/8/19

WASHINGTON - Russian efforts to weaken the West through a relentless campaign of information warfare may be starting to pay off, cracking a key bastion of the U.S. line of defense: the military. While most Americans still see Moscow as a key U.S. adversary, new polling suggests that view is changing, most notably among the households of military members. The second annual Reagan National Defense Survey, completed in late October, found nearly half of armed services households questioned, 46%, said they viewed Russia as ally. Overall, the survey found 28% of Americans identified Russia as an ally, up from 19% the previous year. Generally, the pollsters found the positive views of Russia seemed to be “predominantly driven by Republicans who have responded to positive cues from [U.S.] President [Donald] Trump about Russia,” according to an executive summary accompanying the results. While a majority, 71% of all Americans and 53% of military households, still views Russia as an enemy, the spike in pro-Russian sentiment has defense officials concerned. “There is an effort, on the part of Russia, to flood the media with disinformation to sow doubt and confusion,” Defense Department spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Carla Gleason told VOA. “This is not only through discordant and inflammatory dialogue but through false narratives designed to illicit sympathetic views,” she said, adding, “we are actively working to expose and counter Russian disinformation whenever possible.”

However, there is more to the fears than just polling data. U.S. defense and security officials have told VOA that Russia has been targeting U.S. military personnel, specifically, with a ramped-up influence campaign, as far back as 2017 in preparation for the November 2018 midterm elections. Russia’s goal, they said, was not so much to swing the result of the elections but to seed U.S. military personnel with the right type of disinformation so that they would be predisposed to view Russia and its actions in a more favorable way in the future. Others fear Russia’s gains in public opinion are symptomatic of a bigger problem that the Kremlin has managed to exploit. “Many Republicans can slavishly follow Trump’s lead on most matters, including the rhetorical line on Russia, but still, say, support defense expenditures designed to maintain strength vis-a-vis Russia,” Pillar said, noting a variety of U.S. sanctions against Moscow are still in place. Other polls have pointed to a lingering wariness on the part of a majority of Americans when it comes to Russia. A Gallup survey published in February of this year found only 24% of Americans had a positive view of Russia, down from a 44% favorable rating in February of 2013.

Republicans in Congress - Nunes, Kennedy, Meadows, Jordan, Johnson, Paul are busy repeating Russian disinformation. Moscow Mitch McConnell still has not allowed a Senate vote on the House bipartisan-passed DETER Act.

US military personnel should wean themselves from the Fox News addiction.
 
I don't know how much stock to put in all that, but one thing I do know was there is a certain admiration among some very far right Conservatives for Putin if Conservapedia which I used to read their news stories to get a sense of what information far righties might bring to the board, most of it stemmed from Putins attack on the LGBT community, he's seen as a strong leader who took on the decedent liberal agitators trying to bring sinful ways into the mainstream and there was a ton of stories endorsing his approach.

I think deep down, many on this board want authoritarianism more than they are willing to admit or even realize, as long as they believe it'll be directed at somebody else... How do I know this?

It already exists.

The War on Drugs, The War on Terror, The warrantless surveillance, voter suppression, the amount of people on the right who endorse racial profiling, especially the way immigration is handled.

That's all for the others, not for us, it'll never be used against us, so they're perfectly comfortable endorsing these policies election after election, they're authoritarian, they're dangerous, they fly in the face of alleged "liberty" but they linger on.
 
“.............and when they came for me there was no one left to speak out.”
 
The Pentagon needs to focus its attention on staying out of US domestic politics and protecting us from Chinese hegemony and Muslim terrorists.
 
The Pentagon needs to focus its attention on staying out of US domestic politics and protecting us from Chinese hegemony and Muslim terrorists.

Are you suggesting the Pentagon shouldn't be worried about a foreign power trying to influence the sentiments of our military personnel?
 
Are you suggesting the Pentagon shouldn't be worried about a foreign power trying to influence the sentiments of our military personnel?

You still on the foreign power train? Mueller and his report were disgraced. There was no Russian election influence Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate. And she may have another chance I hope.
 
Pentagon Concerned Russia Cultivating Sympathy Among US Troops

f-199160-armiya_ssha.jpg

U.S. soldiers wait for a speech by U.S. President Donald Trump as he meets U.S. troops based in Osan Air Base,
South Korea, June 30, 2019.




Republicans in Congress - Nunes, Kennedy, Meadows, Jordan, Johnson, Paul are busy repeating Russian disinformation. Moscow Mitch McConnell still has not allowed a Senate vote on the House bipartisan-passed DETER Act.

US military personnel should wean themselves from the Fox News addiction.

The Military Times conducted their own poll with US troops and the results are quite different than what VOA put out.

About 71 percent of troops said Russia was a significant threat, up 18 points from last year’s survey. And 69 percent of troops said China poses a significant threat, up 24 points from last year.

Why today’s troops fear a new war is coming soon

I suppose they must have been dramatically influenced by Putin during the past year......right?
 
You still on the foreign power train? Mueller and his report were disgraced. There was no Russian election influence Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate. And she may have another chance I hope.

Perhaps you should reread the OP and see he was talking about Russian disinformation concerning the US military, not the 2016 election. Then maybe you can try again.
 
Perhaps you should reread the OP and see he was talking about Russian disinformation concerning the US military, not the 2016 election. Then maybe you can try again.

Whenever I see somebody crying about foreign influence I think about Hillary getting so drunk on election night she couldn't give a concession speech. People are still trying to blame her loss on the Russians lol!
 
Whenever I see somebody crying about foreign influence

So you have no problem with Russian influence trying to undermine the US military.

Good to know, izmennik.
 
Pentagon Concerned Russia Cultivating Sympathy Among US Troops

f-199160-armiya_ssha.jpg

U.S. soldiers wait for a speech by U.S. President Donald Trump as he meets U.S. troops based in Osan Air Base,
South Korea, June 30, 2019.




Republicans in Congress - Nunes, Kennedy, Meadows, Jordan, Johnson, Paul are busy repeating Russian disinformation. Moscow Mitch McConnell still has not allowed a Senate vote on the House bipartisan-passed DETER Act.

US military personnel should wean themselves from the Fox News addiction.

Russia has an economy and military that is 1/10th the size of ors. Hardly a "threat" unless people are swayed by FaceBook and Instagram and political debate rooms.

That Russia changed any votes in 2016 is the stupidest thing I ever heard of. They placed a few FB ads.
 
Russia has an economy and military that is 1/10th the size of ors..

Because a smaller nation has never done any serious damage against a numerically and economically larger country.
 
I don't know how much stock to put in all that, but one thing I do know was there is a certain admiration among some very far right Conservatives for Putin if Conservapedia which I used to read their news stories to get a sense of what information far righties might bring to the board, most of it stemmed from Putins attack on the LGBT community, he's seen as a strong leader who took on the decedent liberal agitators trying to bring sinful ways into the mainstream and there was a ton of stories endorsing his approach.

I think deep down, many on this board want authoritarianism more than they are willing to admit or even realize, as long as they believe it'll be directed at somebody else... How do I know this?

It already exists.

The War on Drugs, The War on Terror, The warrantless surveillance, voter suppression, the amount of people on the right who endorse racial profiling, especially the way immigration is handled.

That's all for the others, not for us, it'll never be used against us, so they're perfectly comfortable endorsing these policies election after election, they're authoritarian, they're dangerous, they fly in the face of alleged "liberty" but they linger on.

The trend toward authoritarianism is the greatest threat to our constitutional republic, and the greatest threat to freedom we've seen since the McCarthy era.
 
The Pentagon needs to focus its attention on staying out of US domestic politics and protecting us from Chinese hegemony and Muslim terrorists.

So they should ignore the unanimous warnings of every single US intelligence agency on the Russians because their propaganda has been so effective at brainwashing such large segments of the American populace?
 
So you have no problem with Russian influence trying to undermine the US military.

Good to know, izmennik.

I worry more about Saudi nationals taking flight lessons at the Pensacola NAS to be honest. Russians hacking DNC servers not so much.
 
Only a Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity president like Donald Trump could create this kind of mess.

I hope our 7yos grow up and fix this mess.
 
I worry more about Saudi nationals taking flight lessons at the Pensacola NAS to be honest. Russians hacking DNC servers not so much.

DNC today, RNC tomorrow. Who's to say the RNC will always stay on their good side, despite their best efforts at such shameless a$$-kissing? It may displease them in the near future. Are you OK with that?
 
I worry more about Saudi nationals taking flight lessons at the Pensacola NAS to be honest. Russians hacking DNC servers not so much.

"I don't care about the nuclear armed nation deliberately trying to undermine our national security."

Way to go buddy. You've solved our foreign policy concerns.
 
DNC today, RNC tomorrow. Who's to say the RNC will always stay on their good side, despite their best efforts at such shameless a$$-kissing? It may displease them in the near future. Are you OK with that?

We're arguing with people who have zero foresight.
 
We're arguing with people who have zero foresight.

Where was your self proclaimed superior foresight when Obama laughed at Romney? Obama told Romney that he was still living in the 80's - 90's when Romney said that Russia is still our biggest geopolitical foe?

All the liberal talking heads chimed right in.

So much for liberal foresight.
 
Pentagon Concerned Russia Cultivating Sympathy Among US Troops

f-199160-armiya_ssha.jpg

U.S. soldiers wait for a speech by U.S. President Donald Trump as he meets U.S. troops based in Osan Air Base,
South Korea, June 30, 2019.




Republicans in Congress - Nunes, Kennedy, Meadows, Jordan, Johnson, Paul are busy repeating Russian disinformation. Moscow Mitch McConnell still has not allowed a Senate vote on the House bipartisan-passed DETER Act.

US military personnel should wean themselves from the Fox News addiction.

OMG, Do we really have to deal with endless submission of garbage!!!! We need to worry about the military and what they think? Really, The military? This is a organization that continually takes young impressionable minds and molds them to think exactly the way the military requires to achieve their specific goals. Do you have any clue of the strains and stresses placed on military personnel and their families? Did you ever think about the 1000 other things they think about entirely before they could ever imagine what to think of Russia? I am wondering when was the last time a military soldier actually had to fight directly against a Russian?

When a soldier gets into harms way, do you know what countries the weapons that are pointed against them come from?
Arms sales to Middle East have increased dramatically, new research shows | Middle East Eye

Damn, I really do read some stupid, pathetic, irrelevant crap on this board, but this one would have to take the cake. Thank you so much for your concern over the military. Maybe you will next suggest that they are treasonous and are a fatal security risk for our nation! Maybe you could suggest all Trump supporters in the military be immediately dishonorably discharged!!!

Again, I find myself stepping up and apologizing to all of the brave men and women actively serving this nation in the ARMED FORCES for the inconsiderate articles written about you and the redistribution of that information in this site.
 
Where was your self proclaimed superior foresight when Obama laughed at Romney? Obama told Romney that he was still living in the 80's - 90's when Romney said that Russia is still our biggest geopolitical foe?

All the liberal talking heads chimed right in.

So much for liberal foresight.

So odd. That was accurate at the time. That was before Putin became president. At the time, there was talk of Russia joining the EU, and even possibly NATO. Then Putin became president and relations deteriorated.

To try to keep up with the papers.
 
So odd. That was accurate at the time. That was before Putin became president. At the time, there was talk of Russia joining the EU, and even possibly NATO. Then Putin became president and relations deteriorated.

To try to keep up with the papers.

Again......so much for the superior foresight?
 
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