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Pentagon Concerned Russia Cultivating Sympathy Among US Troops

If you are in any ocean, on a ship, Russia is not your biggest threat.

Go through the Straights of Hormuz and say that Russia or China are the biggest threat. We don't hang out off the coast of Russia watching for things to happen. The Cole wasnt hit by Russians or Chinese.

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You totally missed the entire point.

Troops and Sailors are worried about the immediate threats to them...................not just about what is possible. To say that troops and sailors are lackidasical about the Russins.........is total BS.

Ask the Pentagon why we spend billions of dollars every year to build better subs and ships to stay one up Russia?

Of course terrorism is the number one issue that our military people face today, but if you think that our troops and sailors disregard Russia, then you are very naive.

OH....by the way. We do stay off the coast of Russia and China. 24/7/365
 
Yes shame on liberals for not seeing the future. Putin's invasion of Ukraine, sending hit squads to Democratic nations and interfering in our elections to help Trump win all came after Obama's comment about Romney.

We knew Putin was going to be reelected considering the polls at the time because Medvedev was seen to be a puppet by the entire world,

Go back and read the articles.
 
We knew Putin was going to be reelected considering the polls at the time because Medvedev was seen to be a puppet by the entire world,

Go back and read the articles.

But what made you fall in love with Putin? His tiny size or was it his money like Trump?
 
You totally missed the entire point.

Troops and Sailors are worried about the immediate threats to them...................not just about what is possible. To say that troops and sailors are lackidasical about the Russins.........is total BS.

Ask the Pentagon why we spend billions of dollars every year to build better subs and ships to stay one up Russia?

Of course terrorism is the number one issue that our military people face today, but if you think that our troops and sailors disregard Russia, then you are very naive.

OH....by the way. We do stay off the coast of Russia and China. 24/7/365
Did you read what you posted? Exactly what I'm saying is that Sailors, Marines, Soldiers are worried, concerned about the immediate threat, see the immediate threat as the more important, more dangerous threats. E1 through E5/6 arent concerned about the potential long game Russia is playing. Which is why the average Servicemembers would not view Russia as a threat. The Pentagon and intelligence community however would. Which is why their training changed in the last couple years only to put China and Russia in the forefront as threats, over the more immediate threats that are still out there.

But that doesnt change the fact that for the last 20 years at least we did not actually Russia as a serious threat, not until very recently and the article points out correctly how Russia can and has taken a little advantage of that which is going to take time to turn around.

18-26 year old average Sailors, Marines, Soldiers are not going to think of the long game, spies as a more serious, concerning, dangerous threat than the one that is actually shooting at them, running ships into them, straight up openly threatening them.

And the majority of our fleets hang out in the Persian Gulf. We just recently started hanging out far out from China. Mainly due to North Korea, and to an extent China, but not really threatening Russia. The majority of Sailors haven't come close to Russia.

This is coming from a Sailor who has been in in the last 20 years, for the last 20 years. I was in the Gulf when the Cole was hit.

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Did you read what you posted? Exactly what I'm saying is that Sailors, Marines, Soldiers are worried, concerned about the immediate threat, see the immediate threat as the more important, more dangerous threats. E1 through E5/6 arent concerned about the potential long game Russia is playing. Which is why the average Servicemembers would not view Russia as a threat. The Pentagon and intelligence community however would. Which is why their training changed in the last couple years only to put China and Russia in the forefront as threats, over the more immediate threats that are still out there.

But that doesnt change the fact that for the last 20 years at least we did not actually Russia as a serious threat, not until very recently and the article points out correctly how Russia can and has taken a little advantage of that which is going to take time to turn around.

18-26 year old average Sailors, Marines, Soldiers are not going to think of the long game, spies as a more serious, concerning, dangerous threat than the one that is actually shooting at them, running ships into them, straight up openly threatening them.

And the majority of our fleets hang out in the Persian Gulf. We just recently started hanging out far out from China. Mainly due to North Korea, and to an extent China, but not really threatening Russia. The majority of Sailors haven't come close to Russia.

This is coming from a Sailor who has been in in the last 20 years, for the last 20 years. I was in the Gulf when the Cole was hit.

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LOL............you have missed the point of the entire thread.

Go back to the OP's point and then we can talk.
 
Tangmo........you can be worse than my 13 year old dog farts some times.

In 2015 the then SecDef Ashton Carter who'd been adviser formally or on appointed advisory committees to 11 SecDef changed the strategic policy of the United States.

After 25 years of US strategic ambiguity following the collapse of the Soviet Union Russia, Carter declared that the strategic situation had changed. Carter put Russia behind Door Number 1, China behind Door Number 2, Iran behind Door Number 3 and North Korea front and center under a spotlight. This reversed the Clinton Bush and first term Obama national defense policy of the USA as having no enemies post the collapse of the Russian Soviet Union in 1991.

Which means your naval enlisted and retired nco right wing numbnuts dog is farting itself out.
 
You totally missed the entire point.

Troops and Sailors are worried about the immediate threats to them...................not just about what is possible. To say that troops and sailors are lackidasical about the Russins.........is total BS.

Ask the Pentagon why we spend billions of dollars every year to build better subs and ships to stay one up Russia?

Of course terrorism is the number one issue that our military people face today, but if you think that our troops and sailors disregard Russia, then you are very naive.

OH....by the way. We do stay off the coast of Russia and China. 24/7/365

In terms of russia their navy is actually very powerful in defensive terms but extremely weak in offensive terms for their surface fleet, and russia does not start conflicts with the us. Even in the past the mysterious dissapearances of us or soviet navy craft like subs always got met with some kind of diplomacy even if neither side to this day ever admitted such, as even accidental downings of either side could spark a hot a even worse a nuclear war unless diplomacy were reached right away. The russians have been unwilling to back down but also unwilling to start any hot war, where the navy views them as less of a threat is the fact they have no intentions of going head to head with the us navy unless provoked to.

Iran on the other hand is much less predictable, granted their navy is weak compared to the united states russia or china. However iran has massive numbers of land launched missiles, as well as swift boats that can be used for suicide waves, and the strait there is a bottle neck, if iran made the first strike they could inflict massive damage on navy ships there, granted they would not win the naval battle but given the geography and their defense capabilities they will deliver as many blows as possible before they start taking them and face the knockout.

Iran situation besides the bottleneck in the straight making any navy going through there sitting ducks is made worse by their unpredictability, with the russians if a first strike was initiated it would be because they felt their demise was imminent and both nuclear and conventional weapons would be used, with iran it is unknown if they would strike earlier without an imminent threat to the countries existence.
 
You totally missed the entire point.

Troops and Sailors are worried about the immediate threats to them...................not just about what is possible. To say that troops and sailors are lackidasical about the Russins.........is total BS.

Ask the Pentagon why we spend billions of dollars every year to build better subs and ships to stay one up Russia?

Of course terrorism is the number one issue that our military people face today, but if you think that our troops and sailors disregard Russia, then you are very naive.

OH....by the way. We do stay off the coast of Russia and China. 24/7/365

Putin owns Trump.

Putin owns the majority of the livestock in the US Senate.

Putin owns completely all the GOP herd in the US House.

You appear ignorant of the whole of it or you are ignoring it for some specific goal and purpose. You as an extremist right wing retired veteran of a career in the USN need to declare which it is, given Right Wingers in the US such as yourself adore, admire and follow the lead of Vladimir Putin, ie, Donald Trump.

You appear not to know that one who criticizes liberals while giving the Right Wing Putin-Trump Rowers a free ride becomes suspect immediately.
 
Some people chirp the Russian line shamelessly, consistently and boldly.

They know they're obvious yet they're confident GRU and its Gen. Gerasimov can and will lead them through it.

This is detached from the reality the Pentagon with the national security agencies of the US know. The speakers follow Trump's lead against the US national defense apparatus.
 
Putin owns Trump.

Putin owns the majority of the livestock in the US Senate.

Putin owns completely all the GOP herd in the US House.

You appear ignorant of the whole of it or you are ignoring it for some specific goal and purpose. You as an extremist right wing retired veteran of a career in the USN need to declare which it is, given Right Wingers in the US such as yourself adore, admire and follow the lead of Vladimir Putin, ie, Donald Trump.

You appear not to know that one who criticizes liberals while giving the Right Wing Putin-Trump Rowers a free ride becomes suspect immediately.

This bit of psychobabble seems to have Putin confused with AIPAC.
 
This bit of psychobabble seems to have Putin confused with AIPAC.

Talk about confused you're the guy who volunteered to go fight in Vietnam.

I asked you which side you volunteered for and you told me but I don't remember so refresh my memory again plse thx.
 
Talk about confused you're the guy who volunteered to go fight in Vietnam.

I asked you which side you volunteered for and you told me but I don't remember so refresh my memory again plse thx.

Which side? What are my choices here in this fantasy hypothetical?
 
You still on the foreign power train? Mueller and his report were disgraced. There was no Russian election influence Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate. And she may have another chance I hope.
1. He was disgraced? Tell that to all of Trump's cohorts in jail.
2. You are also misrepresenting the report, which concluded that Russia DID IN FACT interfere with the 2016 election. You can't just pedal what you think, as facts.

Mueller actually said, "as alleged by the grand jury in an indictment, Russian intelligence officers who were part of the Russian military launched a concerted attack on our political system.

The indictment alleges that they used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information, and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.

And at the same time, as the grand jury alleged in a separate indictment, a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to interfere in the election.

These indictments contain allegations. And we are not commenting on the guilt or innocence of any specific defendant. Every defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court.

The indictments allege, and the other activities in our report describe, efforts to interfere in our political system. They needed to be investigated and understood. That is among the reasons why the Department of Justice established our office.

That is also a reason we investigated efforts to obstruct the investigation. The matters we investigated were of paramount importance. It was critical for us to obtain full and accurate information from every person we questioned. When a subject of an investigation obstructs that investigation or lies to investigators, it strikes at the core of the government’s effort to find the truth and hold wrongdoers accountable."


He also didn't exonerate Trump. He said, “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the President did commit a crime... If we had had confidence that the president had not committed a crime, we would have said so. [The report] It explains that under long-standing Department policy, a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office. That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that too is prohibited."
 
You're apparently more confused than you had let on.

Not quite as confused as you seem to be. If you could elaborate on your statement regarding my going to Vietnam, perhaps we could continue.
 
Russia hasn't done anything directly against the US in ages. Against other countries, yes. But Iran and NK have done much more. Even China has been more openly aggressive towards us in the last 2 decades.

And Russia has recently adopted some Christian/conservative policies that some in the military agree with.

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Yes, Putin reentered the Russian presidency in 2012 with a carefully developed new agenda to be Mr. Conservative Right Strong Man Leader. Putin set himself on his course to appeal to Rightists throughout the West. This has a definite appeal to a certain number of US military personnel in the enlisted ranks of the US armed forces who are impressed by it, and likewise to a small number of junior and mid level officers across the services.

Taken together the 2016 vote of the veterans and active duty armed forces of the AVF went 2-1 for Trump over Clinton. While we recognize Clinton carried a lot of baggage so did Trump have his negatives. Still however the veteran and military vote has been heavily Republican for several decades.

We've hashed over the Eddie Gallagher case yet it cannot be dismissed or cleanly left behind. Trump giving Gallagher a pat on the back led to Trump ordering the firing of the Navy secretary and an irreparable divide between Trump and the armed forces chiefs and commanders at home and abroad.

In the Gallagher case the colonels and lieutenant colonels (O-6 & O-5) are with the upper brass as are the troops in units that are historically famous, high profile, well trained and disciplined, and that spend most of their time in the United States. Moreover there's Northern Command with HQ in Colorado and that defends the continental USA with the 5th Army and the 1st Air Force, some naval units and few Marines. Elements of the Northcom 5th Army are at the southern border lined up against civilians which is the last place and circumstance Northcom wants 'em to be given what they're doing there. These are the troops Trump wanted unsuccessfully to shoot unarmed civilians who might be in the vicinity of any rocks which are of course everywhere around 'em.

Gallagher and LTC Vindman became willing duelists in the now irreversible divide between the Pentagon and Trump, Gallagher being Trump's pistol man and Vindman being the Pentagon's dead aim entry. Vindman's dead on shot was his testimony to Congress. The wounded Gallagher had to settle for Fox where he dive bombed the Navy's upper ranks aggressively and freely and without any consequence given the Navy preferred at that point to ride out the heat wave.

While Putin and Maduro socked away their generals with copious amounts of money Trump knows he can't do that with the US armed services chiefs and commanders across the whole force. There's no doubt Trump likes the Erdogan solution to military mutiny, which is to purge 'em outright before, during, after. Yet the reason so many coups have been successful over time -- to include several in Turkey -- is that their leaders have the skill sets, the talents, and the wherewithall to accomplish their mission. So here at home in Washington those who know wait to see which side will make the inevitable first move, when, by what specific rationale, and how conclusive it will be, ie, successful.
 
LOL............you have missed the point of the entire thread.

Go back to the OP's point and then we can talk.
I've read the thread. The OP states that Russia is building up sympathy, essentially downplaying it's own threat level with US troops. That is the E1-E5/6 ranks. Not officers or Pentagon officials, intelligence communities within the branches. And it is true to an extent. It is more like Russia is taking advantage of a sentiment that was already there and is getting a boost by our own President against what the Pentagon is putting out that plays down their threat level to us.

It wouldn't be that easy for them to take advantage of sympathies of troops if our own President didnt contradict what our intelligence communities are putting out about Russia.

You keep bringing up the Pentagon. The article was not about the Pentagon. It was about sympathies of the troops. The E1-E6 ranks are very different than the Pentagon officers.

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Yes shame on liberals for not seeing the future. Putin's invasion of Ukraine, sending hit squads to Democratic nations and interfering in our elections to help Trump win all came after Obama's comment about Romney.

Indeed so it's like Yogi Berra said: It's hard to predict the future because nobody knows what's gonna happen.

Romney made a speech on the Senate floor the other day so it was good to see The Mitt venture out from inside his political cocoon. Thingy is Willard went right back into it afterward.

Which leaves us with Obama, Romney and Murphy's Law. I shouldn't slough off Putin in this either because Murphy once took a shat in Russia.
 
I've read the thread. The OP states that Russia is building up sympathy, essentially downplaying it's own threat level with US troops. That is the E1-E5/6 ranks. Not officers or Pentagon officials, intelligence communities within the branches. And it is true to an extent. It is more like Russia is taking advantage of a sentiment that was already there and is getting a boost by our own President against what the Pentagon is putting out that plays down their threat level to us.

It wouldn't be that easy for them to take advantage of sympathies of troops if our own President didnt contradict what our intelligence communities are putting out about Russia.

You keep bringing up the Pentagon. The article was not about the Pentagon. It was about sympathies of the troops. The E1-E6 ranks are very different than the Pentagon officers.

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Go find me some soldiers that have any sympathy for Russia.

Go fin me a submariner that has sympathy for the "Crazy Ivan's" they have to dodge out there.

Ain't happening.
 
Go find me some soldiers that have any sympathy for Russia.

Go fin me a submariner that has sympathy for the "Crazy Ivan's" they have to dodge out there.

Ain't happening.

Trump made a big investment in trying to get the lower enlisted ranks to feel for Edward Gallagher.

And to like that the SecNavy got shipped out over it.

Plus to have lower enlisted Soldiers, Air personnel and Marines to side with Trump the CinC over the uniformed chain of command in each service. This is in addition to the daily concerns of Sailors and of their peer lower and junior enlisted service personnel (up to E-5 principally but not only). Trump already has the majority or plurality of AVF veterans behind him on a given issue.

I myself have little doubt, if any, Trump was tutored privately and one on one about how the uniformed chain of command is his number one obstacle. Hence Gallagher and other convicted or accused armed forces enlisted that have found Trump as their sugar daddy while the armed forces chiefs and commanders fume. So I have zero doubt the uniformed chain of command up and down each service knows this, and that they are engaged in countermeasures one of which we've seen already to be highly effective.

Trump is for instance and by all reports still livid over LTC Vindman who in July 2018 was assigned to the WH National Security Council from his position at the Pentagon as Russia adviser to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Vindman continues to hold the WH position with the NSC btw which informs the Pentagon and the rest of us that Trump still doesn't have the brass to ship out the respected uniformed officer Vindman despite Trump probably wanting to strangle him. (Trump would lose that one too of course.)

In other words the armed services uniformed chain of command are the only Americans who can stand Trump up and backhand a good one to his brass while walking away from it no problem. Trump's real generals problem however remains Mattis and his cohorts who are retired and who have gone silent to include admirals who are greatly respected.
 
You still on the foreign power train? Mueller and his report were disgraced. There was no Russian election influence Hillary lost because she was a terrible candidate. And she may have another chance I hope.


Of course. I've watched only Fox news, and I now realize that the Dutch and Australian intelligence services, working with the US intelligence services, 50 Republicans in the FBI, a dozen Democrats in the Justice Department,
and James Comey, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and the Illuminati forced the Trump campaign to have more than 100 contacts with Russian intelligence. Ees obvious as nose on face!
 
Of course. I've watched only Fox news, and I now realize that the Dutch and Australian intelligence services, working with the US intelligence services, 50 Republicans in the FBI, a dozen Democrats in the Justice Department,
and James Comey, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and the Illuminati forced the Trump campaign to have more than 100 contacts with Russian intelligence. Ees obvious as nose on face!

Life's a bitch and then you die pretty much sums up my sentiments on the matter.
 
Thank you to Putin-Trump & Rowers for getting us focused on the right things that need attention, and that need immediate attention.

Trump is trying to enlist the lowest ranking enlisted personnel into the cause of Putin and our number one enemy state, Russia. This low socioeconomic and political grouping clustered as it is in the US armed forces belongs to the core of Trump's electoral base and they are of a great value to Putin-Trump & Rowers due to their membership of the USA armed forces.

So now the curtain has been pulled open on the perps and their nefarious international scheme that includes military households of the US armed forces.


WASHINGTON - Russian efforts to weaken the West through a relentless campaign of information warfare may be starting to pay off, cracking a key bastion of the U.S. line of defense: the military.

t is clearly dangerous for the people we entrust to secure the country’s self-defense to be much more favorable to our fiercest geopolitical foe than the public. It should be the other way around.

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It is beyond alarming when put in the proper context: one of the country’s two major political parties was just assisted in the previous election by its greatest foe; the president who was elected by a minority of voters with that rival’s help has continued to run interference for that rival, has been weirdly obsequious to its dictatorial leader, has refused to accept his own intelligence services’ findings about the criminal theft of opposition documents in the election, and is to this day extorting and undermining a nation in a hot war with that same rival power in an effort to fabricate dirt on a political rival for the next election and, amazingly, to frame the victim of the extortion for the crimes of its rival aggressor.



Putin and allies used the standard timeless conservative tactics: they allied themselves with rural and socially conservative religious elements, ramped up hostile rhetoric toward supposedly corrupt outsiders, leveraged racist and sexist sentiments against domestic minorities and women’s rights groups, and portrayed themselves as the only ones who could make Russia great again.

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Defense officials concerned about growing support for Vladimir Putin by US Troops.


American Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarian-Rightists: Making America Russia Instead.
 
Crowdstrike, a company that has nothing to do with Ukraine and is currently guarding the servers of the GOP.
 
Go find me some soldiers that have any sympathy for Russia.

Go fin me a submariner that has sympathy for the "Crazy Ivan's" they have to dodge out there.

Ain't happening.
I can find plenty. I've talked to plenty. The article talked about plenty. The level of threat that the average enlisted Sailor or Soldier or Marine views Russia is lower for a good portion of the services (still not half, but more than even the civilian side, according to the stats of the article) than it should be placed. That is mainly because of psychology. If something is put on the back burner as a threat to people, as Russia has been put, then they are going to question them being a threat at all.

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