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The War-Crimes President

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The War-Crimes President

When violence is directed at those Trump’s supporters hate and fear, they see such excesses not as crimes but as virtues.

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11/30/19
Donald Trump is a war-crimes enthusiast. This is not an exaggeration, a mischaracterization, or a misrepresentation. As a candidate, the president regaled his audiences with vivid tales of brutality, some apocryphal, and vowed to imitate them. On the campaign trail, Trump frequently invoked a false story about General John Pershing crushing a Muslim insurgency in the Philippines with bullets dipped in pig’s blood, declaring, “There was no more radical Islamic terror for 35 years!” Trump declared that he would “take out the families” of terrorist suspects, assuring skeptics that the military would not refuse his commands, even though service members have a duty to refuse orders that are manifestly illegal. “If I say do it, they’re going to do it.” Although Trump was talked out of authorizing torture by his advisers, the president’s ardor for violations of the laws of war has manifested itself in his decisions to intervene in war-crimes cases on behalf of the defendants. In four separate cases since the beginning of his presidency, and for the first time in the history of modern warfare, an American president has aided service members accused or convicted of war crimes, against the advice of his own military leadership. The clearances eroded the rule of law, as well as institutional safeguards against authoritarianism and the politicization of the military. But they were also a rational extension of Trumpist nationalism, which recognizes no moral, legal, or institutional restraints on the president worth upholding, and which sees violence against outsiders as a redemptive expression of national loyalty. The White House’s formal announcement of the pardons argued that they were in the interest of justice, on behalf of service members facing extenuating circumstances. But the president himself does not make that case. Instead, he argues that the crimes of which the men are accused are not truly crimes at all. As the president put it on Twitter, “We train our boys to be killing machines, then prosecute them when they kill!” This is a philosophy that makes no moral distinction between killing combatants and killing the innocent.

Violations of the laws of war are among the most serious crimes service members can commit, and issuing pardons, countermanding demotions, or otherwise interfering with the legal processes for investigating and punishing such crimes makes it more difficult for commanders to maintain control of their subordinates. Many former officials have warned that Trump’s war-crimes pardons undermine “good order and discipline,” a jargony way to say that they signal the rules don’t matter. A military force where the rules don’t matter is not one that can fight effectively or with the necessary moral or strategic restraint. Defenders of Trump’s pardons dishonor service members by treating them as conscienceless automatons who need make no distinction between combatants and civilians. But murder, under color of authority, is still murder. Those service members who show a loyalty to principles above faction, such as Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, who told Congress of the president’s scheme to extort Ukraine into falsely implicating a political rival, are not honored by Trumpists, but derided. Those who violate the laws of war against individuals Trumpists consider less than human, regardless of guilt or innocence, are to be praised as heroes. Patriotism here ultimately means something far less than love of country—it means love of a very specific group of Americans, who regard the majority of their countrymen as usurpers. And that love must manifest itself in loyalty to Trump, who represents their will. The ominous message, which echoes from the Justice Department to the Department of Homeland Security to the Pentagon, is that the only law that matters is Trump’s law, and the only loyalty that even counts as loyalty is fealty to Trump.

Truth to Power. Well said and well done.
 
Examine the cases of two of the men he pardoned. One was court martialed for firing on a vehicle that wouldn't stop after repeated warnings. He couldn't know what was or was not in that vehicle. In the case of the SEAL, he had a picture taken with a combatant, he committed no murder.

Examine the Presidential Pardon power. It is a constitutional power unencumbered by any limits. It can be used as the President sees fit. He doesn't see justice in the cases of the two men (I am not mentioning the third because I am not well versed on it) and acted to restore what he could of their lives.

Its not a moral outrage or a miscarriage of justice, its a reminder that war is awful and we cannot condemn those fighting it as readily as we would in times of peace. It also serves to remind the brass that all of the power of the UCMJ flows from the head of the Executive branch and civilian control; the President. Its not breaking the chain of command, he is the top of the chain.
 
The War-Crimes President

When violence is directed at those Trump’s supporters hate and fear, they see such excesses not as crimes but as virtues.

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Truth to Power. Well said and well done.

Regarding Vindman, he told his Ukrainian counterpart not to obey the wishes coming from his President and the US President. If you want to talk court martial, Vindman should be looking at one. He doesn't set policy, he follows it. He decided to tell others to disobey direct orders, but you see no issue with that. It does show where the motives are at.
 
By Waitman Wade Beorn
Waitman Wade Beorn, a combat veteran of Iraq, is a Holocaust and genocide studies historian, a senior lecturer in history at Northumbria University in Newcastle, England, and the author of “Marching Into Darkness: The Wehrmacht and the Holocaust in Belarus.” He is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:09 a.m. EST
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Behenna stripped a freed prisoner naked and shot him. Gallagher allegedly stabbed a wounded prisoner (a noncombatant) and shot civilians in cold blood from a sniper’s perch. A Navy jury convicted him of taking a photo with the stabbing victim’s corpse. Golsteyn marched a captive outside a base, shot him in the head and hastily “buried his remains in a shallow grave.” Lorance was at least on patrol, but he ordered his men to fire on three unarmed noncombatants on a motorcycle 200 yards from their position with no ability to actually come near them. He then ordered his soldiers to shoot any children who approached the bodies. His own soldiers called his actions “straight murder.”

None of these men’s actions fall into the fog of war. None did their best to make sense of a fluid and dangerous situation. Instead, they drank deeply of the intoxicating unhindered power over life and death, and abandoned morality for carnage. In almost every situation, their own subordinates reported them or testified against them, actions that should give us hope that our military can withstand the discursive violence the commander in chief is inflicting. Winning is important, but how we win is equally important. A German soldier in World War II wrote home before his death that “I have known, up to now, no unspoilt men, but only such who have forgotten their natures and those who have won their natures back, or are in the process of winning them back.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/12/02/heres-what-split-second-combat-decision-looks-like-i-didnt-need-murder/




Examine the cases of two of the men he pardoned. One was court martialed for firing on a vehicle that wouldn't stop after repeated warnings. He couldn't know what was or was not in that vehicle.

In the case of the SEAL, he had a picture taken with a combatant, he committed no murder.

Mmmmm... nope

:roll:

You did make sure not to include names, but it looks like you first attempted to lie about Lorance on Trump's behalf, and then you attempted to lie-by-omission about Gallagher. You then ignored the others.
 
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Its not a moral outrage or a miscarriage of justice, its a reminder that war is awful and we cannot condemn those fighting it as readily as we would in times of peace. ...........

In the case of the Seal, the Navy is applying rules of war, not peace. Trump is condoning the breaking of those rules.
 
By Waitman Wade Beorn
Waitman Wade Beorn, a combat veteran of Iraq, is a Holocaust and genocide studies historian, a senior lecturer in history at Northumbria University in Newcastle, England, and the author of “Marching Into Darkness: The Wehrmacht and the Holocaust in Belarus.” He is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:09 a.m. EST
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Behenna stripped a freed prisoner naked and shot him. Gallagher allegedly stabbed a wounded prisoner (a noncombatant) and shot civilians in cold blood from a sniper’s perch. A Navy jury convicted him of taking a photo with the stabbing victim’s corpse. Golsteyn marched a captive outside a base, shot him in the head and hastily “buried his remains in a shallow grave.” Lorance was at least on patrol, but he ordered his men to fire on three unarmed noncombatants on a motorcycle 200 yards from their position with no ability to actually come near them. He then ordered his soldiers to shoot any children who approached the bodies. His own soldiers called his actions “straight murder.”

None of these men’s actions fall into the fog of war. None did their best to make sense of a fluid and dangerous situation. Instead, they drank deeply of the intoxicating unhindered power over life and death, and abandoned morality for carnage. In almost every situation, their own subordinates reported them or testified against them, actions that should give us hope that our military can withstand the discursive violence the commander in chief is inflicting. Winning is important, but how we win is equally important. A German soldier in World War II wrote home before his death that “I have known, up to now, no unspoilt men, but only such who have forgotten their natures and those who have won their natures back, or are in the process of winning them back.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/12/02/heres-what-split-second-combat-decision-looks-like-i-didnt-need-murder/






Mmmmm... nope

:roll:

You did make sure not to include names, but it looks like you first attempted to lie about Lorance on Trump's behalf, and then you attempted to lie-by-omission about Gallagher. You then ignored the others.

Gallagher was found guilty of the photograph and only the photograph. It looks like you bought into an opinion piece instead of actually getting the facts.

The other I was familiar with was Lorance: Hero or murderer? Soldiers divided in 1LT Lorance case

"The defense has now identified information linking five of seven Afghan military-aged males on the field that day with terror," Maher said. "Because the government has always had that information and did not disclose it to the command or the trial defense counsel, examining 1st Lt. Lorance's decision-making takes a back seat. We never get to that question."

Basically, the government is obligated to disclose evidence that could negate guilt, reduce the degree of guilt or reduce the punishment for the accused, Maher said, citing the Rule for Courts-Martial.

"The first day at the Army JAG school, we're taught you turn over everything," said Maher, who also is a lieutenant colonel in the Army Reserve.

The government made a "serious legal error" by not turning over exonerating and/or mitigating evidence contained in government computer databases, Maher said.

"Before the government can take away any soldier's liberty, freedom, career, income, retirement, educational benefits, and full ability to get a job, the government must follow the rules," he said. "Here, it did not."

Indicating that the testimony provided by some witnesses and character portrayals were definitely suspect.

Again, you have things you want to implicate because Trump is involved, set that aside and look deeper.
 
Regarding Vindman, he told his Ukrainian counterpart not to obey the wishes coming from his President and the US President. If you want to talk court martial, Vindman should be looking at one. He doesn't set policy, he follows it. He decided to tell others to disobey direct orders, but you see no issue with that. It does show where the motives are at.

Not unless he felt that such orders are in violation of the law in which the the US military code:

892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.
 
Not unless he felt that such orders are in violation of the law in which the the US military code:

892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ.

In which event he has options. None of those include telling an officer in a foreign country to act counter to given orders from the President of his country. Please note this was done 2 weeks prior to his filing a complaint, if I remember the timeline correctly.
 
The War-Crimes President

When violence is directed at those Trump’s supporters hate and fear, they see such excesses not as crimes but as virtues.

defense-large.jpg




Truth to Power. Well said and well done.

Muslims are commanded to Jihad.

We cant tell who is a potential terrorist or who is a peaceful Jihadi and who is DISOBEDIENT to the Prophet's commandments.

Muslims have immunity from Jihadis or they are in sympathy with them so it is easy for those non Jihadis to criticize kafirs for being wary of ALL Muslims.

If so-called, "good" Muslims cared about America as much as they want us to care about them, they would not push us to bring in more Muslims and they would tell us about Jihad and they would not criticize our lack of understanding of Islam.

I think Muslims are playing us for suckers.
 
By Waitman Wade Beorn
Waitman Wade Beorn, a combat veteran of Iraq, is a Holocaust and genocide studies historian, a senior lecturer in history at Northumbria University in Newcastle, England, and the author of “Marching Into Darkness: The Wehrmacht and the Holocaust in Belarus.” He is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point.
Dec. 2, 2019 at 9:09 a.m. EST
[]

Behenna stripped a freed prisoner naked and shot him. Gallagher allegedly stabbed a wounded prisoner (a noncombatant) and shot civilians in cold blood from a sniper’s perch. A Navy jury convicted him of taking a photo with the stabbing victim’s corpse. Golsteyn marched a captive outside a base, shot him in the head and hastily “buried his remains in a shallow grave.” Lorance was at least on patrol, but he ordered his men to fire on three unarmed noncombatants on a motorcycle 200 yards from their position with no ability to actually come near them. He then ordered his soldiers to shoot any children who approached the bodies. His own soldiers called his actions “straight murder.”

None of these men’s actions fall into the fog of war. None did their best to make sense of a fluid and dangerous situation. Instead, they drank deeply of the intoxicating unhindered power over life and death, and abandoned morality for carnage. In almost every situation, their own subordinates reported them or testified against them, actions that should give us hope that our military can withstand the discursive violence the commander in chief is inflicting. Winning is important, but how we win is equally important. A German soldier in World War II wrote home before his death that “I have known, up to now, no unspoilt men, but only such who have forgotten their natures and those who have won their natures back, or are in the process of winning them back.”

[]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/12/02/heres-what-split-second-combat-decision-looks-like-i-didnt-need-murder/






Mmmmm... nope

:roll:

You did make sure not to include names, but it looks like you first attempted to lie about Lorance on Trump's behalf, and then you attempted to lie-by-omission about Gallagher. You then ignored the others.

While he was the Ukraine Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources, Mykola Zlochevsky issued two drilling permits to two 'shadow companies' he owned as part of his 'umbrella' corporation, "Burisma Holdings." He did this so he could secretly profit from the oil and natural gas production while still a sitting Minister.

In order to make sure that no one with influence would disclose or disrupt the arrangement or jeopardize the expected $1 Billion in US Loan Guarantees to Ukraine, Zlochevsky packed the Burisma Board of Directors with influential people.

"Mr Shokin further stated that there were several Burisma board appointments were made in 2014 as follows:

Hunter Biden son of Vice President Joseph Biden
Joseph Blade former CIA employee assigned to Anti-Terrorist Unit
Alesksander Kwasnieski former President of Poland
Devon Archer roomate to the Christopher Heinz the step-son of Mr. John Kerry United States Secretary of State

Hunter Biden was being paid $88,000 per month for being on the Board of Burisma.

When the Ukraine General Prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, began investigating the case, US VP Joe Biden had Shokin fired as a condition of Biden's assurance that the expected $1 Billion in US Loan Guarantees would be forthcoming as expected.


 
While he was the Ukraine Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources...

That's basically spam. How many times will you file dump your little CT bs.
 
Examine the cases of two of the men he pardoned. One was court martialed for firing on a vehicle that wouldn't stop after repeated warnings. He couldn't know what was or was not in that vehicle. In the case of the SEAL, he had a picture taken with a combatant, he committed no murder.

Examine the Presidential Pardon power. It is a constitutional power unencumbered by any limits. It can be used as the President sees fit. He doesn't see justice in the cases of the two men (I am not mentioning the third because I am not well versed on it) and acted to restore what he could of their lives.

Its not a moral outrage or a miscarriage of justice, its a reminder that war is awful and we cannot condemn those fighting it as readily as we would in times of peace. It also serves to remind the brass that all of the power of the UCMJ flows from the head of the Executive branch and civilian control; the President. Its not breaking the chain of command, he is the top of the chain.

To the Democratic Party, American troops must sacrifice their lives. Remember, over 90% of American military deaths have been under Democratic leadership and Democrats - literally Democrats - have killed more Americans in war than were killed by other enemies in WW1 and WW2 - and the Democrats did it trying to create their own slave nation.

There are reasons why members of the US military overwhelmingly oppose the Democratic Party when they vote - and Democrats do everything they can to suppress their votes accordingly.
 
Muslims are commanded to Jihad.

We cant tell who is a potential terrorist or who is a peaceful Jihadi and who is DISOBEDIENT to the Prophet's commandments.

Muslims have immunity from Jihadis or they are in sympathy with them so it is easy for those non Jihadis to criticize kafirs for being wary of ALL Muslims.

If so-called, "good" Muslims cared about America as much as they want us to care about them, they would not push us to bring in more Muslims and they would tell us about Jihad and they would not criticize our lack of understanding of Islam.

I think Muslims are playing us for suckers.

Islam is the only religion I know of that literally advocates lying and deception to gain advantage. The start of Islam was when Mohammed made a peace treaty with a Jewish city - openly explaining he did so to get them to let down their guard and gain a cease fire so he could rebuild (since he was losing) and then do a sneak attack. He said that lying making deliberately false promises for the purpose of a sneak attack slaughter of an enemy or for territory he wants is the will of Allah.

Muslim leaders lie because their religion tells them to lie. Truth in politics, foreign policy, military policy and negotiating with other countries is prohibited. They are required by their religion to lie if there is any advantage in doing so.
 
Muslims are commanded to Jihad.

We cant tell who is a potential terrorist or who is a peaceful Jihadi and who is DISOBEDIENT to the Prophet's commandments.

Muslims have immunity from Jihadis or they are in sympathy with them so it is easy for those non Jihadis to criticize kafirs for being wary of ALL Muslims.

If so-called, "good" Muslims cared about America as much as they want us to care about them, they would not push us to bring in more Muslims and they would tell us about Jihad and they would not criticize our lack of understanding of Islam.

I think Muslims are playing us for suckers.

We are suckers, and it's not the muslims who are playing us that way. Our government, under the control of domestic and foreign enemies of the USC, are playing us that way, thanks to massive propaganda efforts in the tradition of Goebbels.
 
We are suckers. Somebody just posted that under Trump we live in times of peace and prosperity.

With homeless people living on the streets in so many American cities, some suckers believe this is a time of prosperity. 18 years into undeclared wars all over the globe, some see this as a time of peace.

We are very well indoctrinated.
 
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