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Navy Is Said to Proceed With Disciplinary Plans Against Edward Gallagher

Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.

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Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer, right, and Trump.

11/23/19
The secretary of the Navy and the admiral who leads the SEALs have threatened to resign or be fired if plans to expel a commando from the elite unit in a war crimes case are halted by President Trump, administration officials said Saturday. The high-level pushback to Mr. Trump’s unambiguous assertion on Twitter this past week that the commando, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, should remain in the unit was an extraordinary development in what was already an extraordinary case, one with few precedents in the history of presidential relations with the American military. The Navy secretary, Richard V. Spencer, later denied that he had threatened to resign but said disciplinary plans against Chief Gallagher would proceed because he did not consider Mr. Trump’s statement on Twitter to be a formal order. Mr. Spencer added that the president, as commander in chief, had the authority to intervene and that it would stop “the process.” Chief Gallagher, who counts Mr. Trump as one of his most vocal supporters, was accused of shooting civilians, murdering a captive Islamic State fighter with a hunting knife in Iraq, and threatening to kill SEALs who reported him, among other misconduct. His court-martial ended in acquittal on those charges.

But the Navy ultimately demoted the chief, who was convicted of one charge: bringing discredit to the armed forces by posing for photos with the teenage captive’s dead body. Last Friday, Mr. Trump reversed that demotion, angering Navy officials, including the commander of the SEALs, Rear Adm. Collin Green, who had little choice but to accept the reversal. The debate over Chief Gallagher comes as Mr. Trump, facing a difficult re-election battle and an impeachment inquiry, has increasingly sought to highlight his role as commander in chief. Since 2011, the Navy has revoked more than 150 Trident pins. One of the jurors who convicted Chief Gallagher expressed dismay at the president’s actions in an interview on Friday, noting that the all-military jury had given Chief Gallagher the maximum punishment allowable under the law because it found his behavior so reprehensible. He spoke out for the first time to defend the decision of the jury. “People keep saying all he did is pose in a photo and there were lots of other guys in the photo,” said the juror, who asked that his name not be used to protect the privacy of the deliberations. “But he was the senior enlisted guy there, the oldest, the most experienced. He should have set an example for good order and discipline. He should have ensured stuff like that wasn’t happening. And he didn’t. He doesn’t deserve to wear chief’s anchors.” The juror said he hoped the Trident review process would be allowed to go forward, adding, “Let other SEALs decide if he deserves to be a SEAL.”

This is a purely political fight by Trump who needs any kind of a 'win' these days. That said, he is the CinC [who loves a power trip].
 
Navy Is Said to Proceed With Disciplinary Plans Against Edward Gallagher

Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.

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Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer, right, and Trump.



This is a purely political fight by Trump who needs any kind of a 'win' these days. That said, he is the CinC [who loves a power trip].


SECDEF just asked for SECNAV resignation,

Pentagon chief asks for Navy secretary’s resignation amid controversy over Navy SEAL accused of war crimes
 
Why is anyone shocked anymore? Trump is just following orders. He has gutted the State Dept. forcing our most valued foreign affairs professionals like Fiona Hill and others to resign their posts, he has gutted his own administration leaving only 'acting' people in positions they know nothing about, and he's been at war with the media, all except Fox of course. Everyone is wrong and he's right. If he says the world is square, his base would come up with 1,000 reports and scientific articles to prove he's right. Now, he's working on disrupting the Pentagon. Putin must be experience non-stop 'olig-asms'
 
According to reporting, Spencer, SECNAV, made a proposal to the WH that would ensure that Chief Gallagher would keep his Trident pin. I would think that Sec Esper had WH approval in asking for the resignation!?
 
Navy Is Said to Proceed With Disciplinary Plans Against Edward Gallagher

Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.

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Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer, right, and Trump.



This is a purely political fight by Trump who needs any kind of a 'win' these days. That said, he is the CinC [who loves a power trip].

How on earth can that unit operate with him still in it now?
 
How on earth can that unit operate with him still in it now?

If you mean Gallagher, I think he wants to retire with his Trident. SEALS have lost some luster in recent years, well over 100 Trdent pins have been revoked since 2011.
 
If you mean Gallagher, I think he wants to retire with his Trident. SEALS have lost some luster in recent years, well over 100 Trdent pins have been revoked since 2011.

The SEALS haven't been helping themselves with that. Their handling of Msgt. Chapman's case has soured a lot of people's opinion on them.
 
The SEALS haven't been helping themselves with that. Their handling of Msgt. Chapman's case has soured a lot of people's opinion on them.

The Air Force MOH winner? What further information do you have?
 
The damage being caused by Trump with all this, just absurd.
 
The Air Force MOH winner? What further information do you have?

When the Air Force started pursuing a MoH package for Chapman the NSWC tried to throw up blocks to it because the new information (an upgraded award has to have new information to justify the upgrade) pretty much made it clear that the SEALs abandoned Chapman on that hill. So then they tried to change the narrative that Chapman got himself chasing a medal, and then demanded that their own man who was leading the operation get a MoH too.
 
Navy Is Said to Proceed With Disciplinary Plans Against Edward Gallagher

Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.

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Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer, right, and Trump.
This is a purely political fight by Trump who needs any kind of a 'win' these days. That said, he is the CinC [who loves a power trip].

Obama spent 8 years wimpinizing the US military and now we see leftist liberals like Col. Vindmann and now Navy officers who think their Constitutional duty is to set their Commander-in Chief straight. These leftist democrat officer wimps do not realize that if they disrespect and disregard orders and policies from their commanders then they are giving lower ranking soldiers as lowly ranked as privates the idea that it is their duty to decide if their instructions from their superiors are to be followed or not, according to each individual interpretation of the Constitution.
 
"Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me.
In regards to the key principle of good order and discipline, I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the
presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."
— Navy Secretary Richard Spencer

Leave with your integrity intact. You're much better off disassociating from being as far away from this criminal administration as you can get.

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.......... These leftist democrat officer wimps do not realize that if they disrespect and disregard orders and policies from their commanders then they are giving lower ranking soldiers as lowly ranked as privates the idea that it is their duty to decide if their instructions from their superiors are to be followed or not, ...........


Like taking trophy pictures.
 
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"Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me.
In regards to the key principle of good order and discipline, I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the
presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."
— Navy Secretary Richard Spencer

Leave with your integrity intact. You're much better off disassociating from being as far away from this criminal administration as you can get.

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“.....I hereby acknowledge my termination.”

There is something that doesn’t fit the official narrative. Spencer approached the WH suggesting if they wouldn’t intervene, he would ensure that Gallagher retired with his Trident. A result that aligns with Trump’s Tweet.......:shrug:
 
Obama spent 8 years wimpinizing the US military and now we see leftist liberals like Col. Vindmann and now Navy officers who think their Constitutional duty is to set their Commander-in Chief straight. These leftist democrat officer wimps do not realize that if they disrespect and disregard orders and policies from their commanders then they are giving lower ranking soldiers as lowly ranked as privates the idea that it is their duty to decide if their instructions from their superiors are to be followed or not, according to each individual interpretation of the Constitution.



Officers are absolutely clear about their oath to the Constitution and they are super serious about it.

The EP oath which is equally to the Constitution is less clearly worded however.

Consequently, while officers are well instructed on the Constitution and are absolutely clear on it, enlisted are weakly instructed on the EP oath and its absolute loyalty to the Constitution. The EP oath needs to be reworded and the armed forces programs of education and training of EP in the Constitution need to be improved considerably.

The bottom line reality remains as always, ie, that EP obey their company commander in front of 'em and the captains obey the colonel standing out there talking at 'em. And that the colonels obey the generals. Officers clear and absolute fidelity to the Constitution makes it a chain that is linked, unbroken, strong.
 
“.....I hereby acknowledge my termination.”

There is something that doesn’t fit the official narrative. Spencer approached the WH suggesting if they wouldn’t intervene, he would ensure that Gallagher retired with his Trident. A result that aligns with Trump’s Tweet.......:shrug:

Basically rigging the entire process and doing the opposite of procedure rules and justice. Trump may have not said much at first on it as it would have gotten him results, however esper did take offense to spencer wanting to rig the results of a formal proceeding which is extremely corrupt, would not be much different than a judge rigging a trial as long as his conditions were met.

Were I trump or esper, or anyone above his paygrade I would have fired him as well, anyone who offers to rig a formal proceeding against rules should not be allowed to hold their rank or position.
 
When the Air Force started pursuing a MoH package for Chapman the NSWC tried to throw up blocks to it because the new information (an upgraded award has to have new information to justify the upgrade) pretty much made it clear that the SEALs abandoned Chapman on that hill. So then they tried to change the narrative that Chapman got himself chasing a medal, and then demanded that their own man who was leading the operation get a MoH too.

I had to google chapman, I remembered the name and the moh, but could not remember the rest.

Looking at the story behind it again, chapman deserved that moh, and it was pretty bad for the seal team to not only leave him behind but demand a moh for doing so, granted I do not have the entire story of the battlefield as it is possible there may have been a logical reason for such.
 
Navy Is Said to Proceed With Disciplinary Plans Against Edward Gallagher

Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.

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Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer, right, and Trump.



This is a purely political fight by Trump who needs any kind of a 'win' these days. That said, he is the CinC [who loves a power trip].

Trump didn't halt it.

He instead fired the Navy Secretary.

Trump rigged the process because he could. In his own self interest. It's called an abuse of office.
 
I had to google chapman, I remembered the name and the moh, but could not remember the rest.

Looking at the story behind it again, chapman deserved that moh, and it was pretty bad for the seal team to not only leave him behind but demand a moh for doing so, granted I do not have the entire story of the battlefield as it is possible there may have been a logical reason for such.

Every time SEALs screw up they attempt to throw medals at it to cover up the problem. Operation redwings and leaving Chapman are but two examples.
 
If those "top" military leaders want to resign, there are plenty of officers who would be delighted to fill their places.
 
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