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Trump says Navy won’t remove Gallagher’s SEAL designation

Trump says Navy won’t remove Gallagher’s SEAL designation

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump insisted Thursday that the Navy “will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin,” inserting himself into an ongoing legal review of the sailor’s ability to hold onto the pin that designates him a SEAL.

The Navy on Wednesday notified Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher that he will face a review early next month to determine if he should remain on the elite force.
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Trumpian politics eclipses murder. Way to go to undermine the morale of our armed forces.
No surprise. Trump has been undermining/attacking the Constitution for nearly three years, and now he’s doing the same with the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ)
 
Sadly, the Dems have emboldened the armed forces to defy the orders of their Commander-in-Chief.

Shame on them.

Someday the Dems will regret their irresponsible behavior when the armed forces decide to turn on a Dem president. The Dems should not be surprised if one day they are hoist by their own petard.
What are you talking about?
 
Having a CIC that'll go to bat for his men will boost morale like nothing else.
Usurping the UCMJ does much more to damage good order and discipline than it does to boost morale.
 
Usurping the UCMJ does much more to damage good order and discipline than it does to boost morale.

How is Trump usurping the UCMJ? Or, are you referring to Vindman?
 
How is Trump usurping the UCMJ? Or, are you referring to Vindman?
Trump’s attempt to force the Navy to place Gallagher back into the SEAL community. I sincerely hope that the Defense Department prevails in keeping Gallagher out.
 
Trump’s attempt to force the Navy to place Gallagher back into the SEAL community. I sincerely hope that the Defense Department prevails in keeping Gallagher out.

That has nothing to do with the UCMJ
 
Remember when Republicans honored and respected the military?

Now all they honor is Trump. He insults Gold star families. Attacks a hero like John McCain. Slanders officers and Purple Heart soldiers. Then against the Pentagon wishes, he pardons war criminals.

The Republican party has truly become a cult.. It has to be, only a cult leader and a person who is seen as a god could get millions of people to turn on the military so quickly and decisively..
 
I'm fairly certain that most of the readers here have heard of the Nuremberg Trials. "I was just following orders" was the attempted defence by multiple Nazi war criminals.

Now there's a study about why some are willing to "follow orders"

How the Nazi’s defense of ‘just following orders’ plays out in the mind

In a 1962 letter, as a last-ditch effort for clemency, Holocaust organizer Adolf Eichmann wrote that he and other low-level officers were “forced to serve as mere instruments,” shifting the responsibility for the deaths of millions of Jews to his superiors. The “just following orders” defense, made famous in the post-WWII Nuremberg trials, featured heavily in Eichmann’s court hearings.

But that same year Stanley Milgram, a Yale University psychologist, conducted a series of famous experiments that tested whether “ordinary” folks would inflict harm on another person after following orders from an authoritative figure. Shockingly, the results suggested any human was capable of a heart of darkness.[

Milgram’s research tackled whether a person could be coerced into behaving heinously, but new research released Thursday offers one explanation as to why.

“In particular, acting under orders caused participants to perceive a distance from outcomes that they themselves caused,” said study co-author Patrick Haggard, a cognitive neuroscientist at University College London, in an email.

In other words, people actually feel disconnected from their actions when they comply with orders, even though they’re the ones committing the act.
 
I'm fairly certain that most of the readers here have heard of the Nuremberg Trials. "I was just following orders" was the attempted defence by multiple Nazi war criminals.

Now there's a study about why some are willing to "follow orders"
An empty excuse. Those who knowingly do wrong at the direction of a superior are in no way less culpable for their actions.
 
Now, you're moving the goal posts.

The court martial, where he was acquitted of all but one charge has nothing to do with Gallagher serving on a SEAL team. It certain has nothing to do with his trident. He completed BUDS. They can't take away from him.
No, I’m not moving the goal posts. You’re not understanding the implication of Gallagher’s conviction of posing for a picture with the body of a human casualty has on his being able to continue serving in our Navy’s elite, and highly selective special operations force. Like the other services special forces, the SEALs have strict standards of conduct, which Gallagher violated, and contrary to your assertion, they absolutely have the right to strip him of his trident and boot him out of the teams.
 
Technically the navy did not intervene with extra reviews until trump decided to reinstate his rank, this does not look like normal procedure as the navy had plenty of time to decide such and only did such after trumps announcement, meaning the navy admiral was doing such purely out of politics, rather than through formal procedure.

It seems like it might end up as a pissing battle between an admiral and the president, and truthfully if I were president I would have relieved that admiral of his command and sent him to greenland to count snowflakes for defying the highest ranking military commander aka the commander in chief or president under lawful orders.

Eddie Gallagher, Fox News, and the Trumpites don't run the Navy. They can stick it where the sun don't shine.
 
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Technically the navy did not intervene with extra reviews until trump decided to reinstate his rank, this does not look like normal procedure as the navy had plenty of time to decide such and only did such after trumps announcement, meaning the navy admiral was doing such purely out of politics, rather than through formal procedure.

It seems like it might end up as a pissing battle between an admiral and the president, and truthfully if I were president I would have relieved that admiral of his command and sent him to greenland to count snowflakes for defying the highest ranking military commander aka the commander in chief or president under lawful orders.
It’s always easy to tell who has never served. :roll:
 

"I believe the process matters for good order and discipline," Spencer told Reuters on the sidelines of the Halifax Security Forum in Nova Scotia, Canada.
According to Reuters, when Spencer was asked whether he believed the proceedings against Gallagher should continue, Spencer replied "Yes, I do."

Way to have a spine! :applaud
 
It’s always easy to tell who has never served. :roll:

Well I did serve 3 years active army 4 years national guard, if you want to play games I can explain ucmj very well as I had to deal with that for my own screwups.

Now your comment almost comes off as someone who never served accusing others of never serving because the answer did not back your opinion.
 
Eddie Gallagher, Fox News, and the Trumpites don't run the Navy. They can stick it where the sun don't shine.

Technically trump does though, he is commander and chief of the entire armed forces and the absolute top of the chain of command for every single military branch.
 
Yes, every person in the military is a free agent to do whatever they want

You guys seemed okay with that conspiracy theory when you were tripping all over yourselves to claim Obama had nothing to do with capturing bin Laden.
 
You guys seemed okay with that conspiracy theory when you were tripping all over yourselves to claim Obama had nothing to do with capturing bin Laden.

Obama did have something to do with it he authorized it, as the military unless going directly against the chain of command would clear such high risk operations with top military brass and even the potus first. However there was a divide on thought whether what he did was good or not, many thought osama staying alive in hiding and dying of kidney failure was a better option as his followers would view him as a coward while him being killed militarily would make them view him as a martyr.

Fyi the military hating the decisions of the portus happened quite frequently before trump, I remember how much the military when I was in hated obama, yet he was the top of the chain, there was no rule you had to like or agree with the cic, but you did have to obey so long as the orders were lawful. I remember one of the top generals in the whole military got relieved of his position for mocking obama, so the potus has far more sway than anyone wants to realize or admit.
 
Obama did have something to do with it he authorized it, as the military unless going directly against the chain of command would clear such high risk operations with top military brass and even the potus first. However there was a divide on thought whether what he did was good or not, many thought osama staying alive in hiding and dying of kidney failure was a better option as his followers would view him as a coward while him being killed militarily would make them view him as a martyr.

Fyi the military hating the decisions of the portus happened quite frequently before trump, I remember how much the military when I was in hated obama, yet he was the top of the chain, there was no rule you had to like or agree with the cic, but you did have to obey so long as the orders were lawful. I remember one of the top generals in the whole military got relieved of his position for mocking obama, so the potus has far more sway than anyone wants to realize or admit.

Again, joko and his Trump loving friends did not hesitate to claim that Obama had nothing to do with bin Laden's capture.
You can avoid the subject if you want, doesn't change the fact that joko is a flaming hypocrite and a partisan hack.
 
What an absolute spit in the face on veterans everywhere.
 
Technically trump does though, he is commander and chief of the entire armed forces and the absolute top of the chain of command for every single military branch.

Notice I didn't include Trump ("Eddie Gallagher, Fox News, and the Trumpites don't run the Navy") for that very reason. However, Eddie Gallagher, Fox News, and the Trumpites made it political so Trump responded to the political pressure.
 
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Well I did serve 3 years active army 4 years national guard, if you want to play games I can explain ucmj very well as I had to deal with that for my own screwups
^^ This explains your general ignorance of Navy regulations/policies, anti-military leadership bias, and poor attitude towards good order and discipline.

As for myself; 23 years active duty Navy, no UCMJ violations (never had so much as a deck plate level counseling report). Also, having served a three year assignment working directly for the Command JAG Officer as Chief Master-at-Arms, I believe I’m a bit more knowledgeable of the UCMJ than someone who’s only experience with the military legal system was standing at attention on the wrong side of the C.O.’s podium.
 
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