View Poll Results: Do you agree with the pullout as done?

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  • Yes, trump is a genius and we owe our allies nothing.

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  • A pullout was needed but not done at this time and method

    10 52.63%
  • No, we should remain there forever as the world's police.

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Thread: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Other: we had no combat mission. U.S. troops were there in an advisery role. The CIC decided that U.S. troops weren't going to be used as human shields. If the Turks decided to attack, there's nothing that our people were going to do to stop it, other than die, creating an all out war with Turkey.
    The number of troops we had there could not stop a turkish invasion, or a syrian army attack or the russians, if any of those three were serious the entire number of troops there would have been eradicated, which means in order to actually stop such they would need to deploy at minimum 100k troops and more realistically 2-300k troops to deal with state actors, I think some wanted a mass deployment and were hoping our small force there were killed in order to justify a mass deployment, however the american people do not back such, infact you can go around asking about the outrage over syria and be lucky to find anyone caring other than some talking heads in the media and congress.

    Heck trump won with the idea of ending wars and even now it is pretty clear the american people do not support these wars, rather career politicians and the cia support these wars.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    The number of troops we had there could not stop a turkish invasion, or a syrian army attack or the russians, if any of those three were serious the entire number of troops there would have been eradicated, which means in order to actually stop such they would need to deploy at minimum 100k troops and more realistically 2-300k troops to deal with state actors, I think some wanted a mass deployment and were hoping our small force there were killed in order to justify a mass deployment, however the american people do not back such, infact you can go around asking about the outrage over syria and be lucky to find anyone caring other than some talking heads in the media and congress.

    Heck trump won with the idea of ending wars and even now it is pretty clear the american people do not support these wars, rather career politicians and the cia support these wars.
    Is that why he has increased the number of troops in the ME?

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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    Is that why he has increased the number of troops in the ME?
    He increased them mostly in saudi arabia, which has to do with the fact despite being one of the highest spenders on military on earth saudi arabia is so incompetent the eskimo's in alaska could over run the country with harpoon attacks and beat them on a navy front with kayaks.

    In my opinion trump should not be protecting the saudi's either, if they are so bad that barefoot rebels can wipe out entire brigades of theirs, then saudi arabia should simply collapse, maybe if they stopped using slaves and mercenaries and actually cared about their own defense other than throwing money at it people might actually show more sympathy to them.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then don't read it.
    I didn't.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    He increased them mostly in saudi arabia, which has to do with the fact despite being one of the highest spenders on military on earth saudi arabia is so incompetent the eskimo's in alaska could over run the country with harpoon attacks and beat them on a navy front with kayaks.

    In my opinion trump should not be protecting the saudi's either, if they are so bad that barefoot rebels can wipe out entire brigades of theirs, then saudi arabia should simply collapse, maybe if they stopped using slaves and mercenaries and actually cared about their own defense other than throwing money at it people might actually show more sympathy to them.
    Nope he has increased the numbers in Afghanistan and Iraq starting at around 18,000 to current of around 26,000, does not sound like pulling out

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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    I didn't.
    But other people did and that's all that matters.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Unfortunately, I think they're still using chemical weapons...only this time it's Turkey using them on Kurd civilians.

    Turkey may have used chemical weapons on Kurdish civilians - Business Insider
    "Business Insider"?

    Oh please, nobody takes them seriously. They are a strongly left-leaning propaganda rag, which hides itself as a "Business Source".

    These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation.
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    The thing is that they are in fact often factual, but the way they word their headlines and articles is misleading.

    Notice, nowhere does this say what chemicals were used, or anything like that. This is outright garbage, nothing but speculation and misdirection, with no real actual facts. It is not like they said "Phosgene is suspected", or "a nerve agent is suspected". It is nonsense speculation intended to influence with zero facts.

    And as an FYI, many are claiming that Turkey has been using White Phosphorous. Yes, it is a chemical, but no it is not a "chemical weapon". And while Willie Pete is indeed a chemical, it's use is not banned. Although many countries (like the US) choose to not use it against civilians and troops in the open (but use against say vehicles that have troops in it is allowed under US ROE).

    An article accusing use of chemical weapons. But not even naming what the weapon might be or anything else? Yea, right.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    It kept Turkey in check and the mission had not been completed. Now not only are the Kurds no longer our allies in the region, thousands of IIIS fighters are free to continue their terror.
    Actually, they are.

    We simply stopped supplying and protecting the PKK. A known terrorist organization that for some reason our last President decided should be supported and given weapons.

    We are still supporting other Kurdish groups, and the other groups not aligned with the PKK are not being attacked.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Willy pete is so nasty that it burns badly, and when burned out can re ignite again when taking off clothing or bandages, so bad that it is forbidden against civilians or even insurgents, the only lawful use is against actual military targets. Ol willy pete makes napalm look humane as with napalm you can atleast shed your clothes with a hope of surviving, willy pete will burn much longer and often stay dormant until re exposed to oxygen.
    Not true.

    WP is not recognized as either a chemical weapon, nor as an incendiary weapon. It's use is in no way restricted under the laws of land warfare.

    Now saying that, many countries (including the US) have made the choice to limit how it is used. But it is not illegal to use, nor is it restricted in how it can be used. Other than under the other laws of land warfare.
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    Re: Vets, what is your opinion on the Syrian pullout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Not true.

    WP is not recognized as either a chemical weapon, nor as an incendiary weapon. It's use is in no way restricted under the laws of land warfare.

    Now saying that, many countries (including the US) have made the choice to limit how it is used. But it is not illegal to use, nor is it restricted in how it can be used. Other than under the other laws of land warfare.
    What is true is that it doesnt spread out like a chemical agent, doesnt stop at clothing lines, and is highly unlikely to have cause the damage in the image shown.

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