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Who is Turkey at war with?

dave8383 said:
I'm pretty sure most people were introduced to the Kurds after the 1st Gulf War, if not long before. Of course depending on how old you are.
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Most people still havent a ****ing clue what they are on a bout and dont want or need one. They are just fine being told what to think. Thats why the kneejerk responses to this whole things has been such a train wreck to watch...on both sides.
 
VanceMack said:
Most people still havent a ****ing clue what they are on a bout and dont want or need one. They are just fine being told what to think. Thats why the kneejerk responses to this whole things has been such a train wreck to watch...on both sides.
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Well, I would agree that most Trumpsters are just following Trumps orders, but other than that crowd there are people in America that know how to think.
 
dave8383 said:
Well, I would agree that most Trumpsters are just following Trumps orders, but other than that crowd there are people in America that know how to think.
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:lamo

A sure sign someone is a mindless leftist that doesnt think for themselves is their repeated use of the word 'trumpster'.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

A sure sign someone is a mindless leftist that doesnt think for themselves is their repeated use of the word 'trumpster'.
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A sure sign of a mindless Trumpster who couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag is someone who says 'mindless leftist'.
 
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VanceMack said:
Most of the people commenting on this couldnt spell 'Kurd' prior to a week and a half ago if you spotted them the Ku and the d and wouldnt nor couldnt give the first **** about them. The only reason they talk about them now is simple....

orange man bad.
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This is actually fairly normal in my experience.

I have seen the same thing back during the Gulf War myself, with people unable to comprehend what it was even about. Or the No-Fly-Zone when Saddam was slaughtering the Kurds in Iraq. I also remember people unable to recognize that Iran and Iraq were not the same country, and seeing them list Iran as an "Arab Nation", or placing Libya and Afghanistan in the "Middle East".

Most people in my experience are amazingly ignorant, and as a general rule hate to be informed if they do not know, or corrected if they are outright wrong. They almost revel in their ignorance, and will try to steer a topic in completely different directions if they find certain things to uncomfortable to discuss.

And throwing around insults and accusations instead of actually discussing the matter is one of the most common things I have seen. It is probably why I dismiss so many in this forum anymore. Those that refuse to discuss an actual issue and only belittle others show to me that they are either really-really stupid, or could not even care what the issue is. All they care about is their belief, and nothing else matters.

Kind of like racists in that way.
 
dave8383 said:
"What is the PKK and what's behind Turkey's war in Syria? | Euronews Answers
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Oh yippie, you did a copy and paste.

Now tell me, do you support Turkey going after the PKK and the President pulling support from them, or not?

It really is not a hard question. Either you support them, or you do not. Either you recognize that the target of the attacks by Turkey is against all Kurds (as the media tends to portray it), or against a select and targeted group that has been attacking them for decades.

dave8383 said:
There are around 15 million Kurds in Turkey, where they make up around 18% of the population. Many of Turkey's Kurds support the People's Democratic Party (HDP), which Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accuses of being linked to the PKK, something the party denies.
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And that last sentence is rather meaningless. Many people in the US support the KKK, or the Communist Party. But that hardly means that more than a minority do.

And yea, the HDP is not part of the PKK, it is an Anti-Nationalist Socialist Party, but it is not Marxist. It is also unquestionably a Turkish Party, but one that supports equal rights for all minorities, including Kurds. And while they were the primary mediators between the Turkish Government and the PKK in the 2013 cease fire, they as a party are not strong supporters (athough some members of the Party are). And as Anti-Nationalists, it is their belief that there should not be such a thing as "Kurds", but all people recognized as "People of Turkey".
 
Oozlefinch said:
Now tell me, do you support Turkey going after the PKK and the President pulling support from them, or not?.
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Why should I tell you? Who died and put you in charge of the do you support Turkey and Trump or not question? Maybe you aren't responsible enough to hear my opinion? Maybe I don't like your attitude?
 
dave8383 said:
Why should I tell you? Who died and put you in charge of the do you support Turkey and Trump or not question? Maybe you aren't responsible enough to hear my opinion? Maybe I don't like your attitude?
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In other words, you have absolutely nothing to add to the discussion, you just hop in and act like a child and insult people because you can.

And now I know how seriously to take you.
 
Rogue Valley said:
You nailed it. 100% Trumper.

So is his twin. They're both arrogant Trumpers.
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Yes I think trump is huge embarrassment and easily the worst president we have ever had and hope he is soon impeached but I am a trumper.

This is the problem with people like you that suffer from tds. In your head anyone who doesn’t simply attack trump for everything no matter the facts is pro trump. You should probably seek some help.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
And this is what I also find the most annoying.

I do not like President Trump. I did a write-in for a Democrat in the last election. However, that does not stop me from saying that at times I do agree with him.

And interestingly enough, I did the same thing with President Obama. I did not like a lot that he did, but if he did something I agreed with, I had no problem stating so. Often to the screams and condemnation of those with ODS.

I admit I thoroughly dislike Senator Bernie Sanders. And at the same time, I quickly applauded and gave him a "virtual" pat on the back when in 2016 he condemned his supporters who attacked Trump Supporters at rallies. If I have one firm belief, it is that individuals have the right to express support for any legal candidate or belief, and it should be without fear of attacks. I absolutely condemn Communists, Anarchists, and Klukkers. But I will always defend their right to peaceful speech and protest.

As a moderate, I have absolutely no expectation that I will ever agree with a politician (or other individual) 100% of the time. But I have absolutely no problem calling things as I see them. Each on a case by case basis, based upon the merits of that individual decision. Not going "Well, Person A said such-and-such about THIS, so I will never agree with him and say anything they say is bad, even if it deals with THAT". I honestly see that kind of thinking as not only childish, but as the symptom of a mental illness.

And I see TDS as bad as I did ODS. And BDS, and CDS.
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This is exactly my feelings on the subject.


I haven’t even voted for a republican for president since Bush’s first term and I disagree with the vast majority of things trump attempts to do and even the few things I agree with him on in theory I think he handles like an idiot and usually simply makes things worse.

But yet simply because I don’t attack trump for everything I am somehow a trump supporter. It is insane the level of derangement so many trump haters on this board suffer from. Probably even more so the the number of posters who suffered from ODS.
 
dave8383 said:
Why should I tell you? Who died and put you in charge of the do you support Turkey and Trump or not question? Maybe you aren't responsible enough to hear my opinion? Maybe I don't like your attitude?
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Their attitudes suck camel balls. It's either their way or experience a form of hazing. Screw that. They don't get to intimidate anyone here.
 
dave8383 said:
Why should I tell you? Who died and put you in charge of the do you support Turkey and Trump or not question? Maybe you aren't responsible enough to hear my opinion? Maybe I don't like your attitude?
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Thanks for proving being any real shadow of a doubt that the only reason at all that you care about this subject at all is so you can use it to attack the subject of your derangement.
Any one interested in real debate would not be so scared to answer a question that is about the topic of the thread you are posting in.

Pathetic.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Their attitudes suck camel balls. It's either their way or experience a form of hazing. Screw that. They don't get to intimidate anyone here.
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Asking some one to answer a question about the topic of this thread is now intimidating someone.

Do you have any idea of how ridiculous you sound right now.
 
Oozlefinch said:
In other words, you have absolutely nothing to add to the discussion, you just hop in and act like a child and insult people because you can.
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Not at all. When you learn how to run a thread I'd be glad to participate. Until then, you're irrelevant.
 
braindrain said:
Thanks for proving being any real shadow of a doubt that the only reason at all that you care about this subject at all is so you can use it to attack the subject of your derangement.
Any one interested in real debate would not be so scared to answer a question that is about the topic of the thread you are posting in.

Pathetic.
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Nonsense. Particularly coming from you.

Man, that's funny.
 
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dave8383 said:
Nonsense. Particularly coming from you.

Man, that's funny.
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It's eye-opening how a self-declared US operator, that supposedly has experience on the ground in Syria, can stab the Kurds in the back so easily. Like falling off a log.

I wouldn't want such an individual within a click of me on a battlefield.
 
braindrain said:
Any one interested in real debate would not be so scared to answer a question that is about the topic of the thread you are posting in.
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I am finding this quite fascinating. Especially when added to comments on the 101 other threads about the same thing that are brought up over and over again.

Challenge them to give their opinion of a terrorist group, and they absolutely refuse to answer. Or scream that it does not matter, as they spin back to something that has nothing to do with the actual topic itself. Or screaming that others are trying to intimidate them.

Honestly I am believing that they may actually support the terrorists, only for the simple reason that President Trump opposes them. They really do not give a damn about Kurds as a group, or the specific group I have been trying to discuss with them for weeks now. That is why they absolutely ignore any attempt to discuss this issue (which is really critical to the topic), or as I have seen in another thread try to defend them - and badly as they apparently do not really know anything about these groups, other than what their own propaganda puts out.

I guess I have an advantage here, having studied what I called the "Alphabet Soup: of the various Palestinian Groups. PLO, PLA, PIJ, PFLP, PFLP-GC, ANO, DFLP, PPSF, ALF, PLF, PAF, and a slew of others. With those groups, it became obvious that what an analyst had to do was to link the connections between groups, not the actual names. And just like with the various Kurdish groups (or the Nationalist and Communists in WWII with Japan), they will often fight each other, then band together against some common enemy, then fall right back to fighting each other again.

And yea, even then you had some with soup for brains that were applauding actions that those groups took. Generally so long as they were attacking Jews or other Palestinians. And this is really no different.

And I actually am interested in actual debate. In a debate, people try to discuss things based on merit and facts. The very proof that nobody is speaking in defense of the PKK shows me that they know they can not back up their support by facts, so they constantly try to derail things into other areas that have nothing to do with the subject. And for some reason I am a "bully" if I try to actually pin them down on if they support the PKK or not.

And one of them even tried that with me once, trying to claim they were not a Marxist-Communist Revolutionary Party, and that they were peaceful people only protecting themselves. Ignoring the fact that they had even assassinated or tried to assassinate other Kurdish leaders who did not share their radical views. They are no more typical of Kurdish views, or supported by most Kurds than the ASLA or JCAG was typical of the beliefs or supported by most Armenians.
 
Rogue Valley said:
It's eye-opening how a self-declared US operator, that supposedly has experience on the ground in Syria, can stab the Kurds in the back so easily. Like falling off a log.

I wouldn't want such an individual within a click of me on a battlefield.
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Well, then kindly let us in on what groups are being attacked. We know of the PKK, what other groups are Turkey going after?

And just yesterday, an attempt was made to negotiate a cease fire in the conflict. But for some reason the PKK absolutely rejected it. Gee, it is almost as if they do not want to stop fighting, and are obviously not being beaten as badly as some people claim.
 
Rogue Valley said:
It's eye-opening how a self-declared US operator, that supposedly has experience on the ground in Syria, can stab the Kurds in the back so easily. Like falling off a log.

I wouldn't want such an individual within a click of me on a battlefield.
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You do understand that SFs main goal is to use local people to fight for us so we don’t have to. In other words to die so Americans don’t have to.
It is not to make friends or develop relationships.
I have fought along side Iraq’s, Kurds, and Afghans. At no point was I ever under any illusions that these were some great people who our main goal is to go there to simply help.
They were the tools we were using to try and achieve Americas goals. And the day will with our a day come that we are going to stop helping. These are all very basic concepts that are taught all through the Q course.
We used the Kurds to help defeat isis. Not to win them their own country. And not to protect from Turkey. The Kurds helped us fight isis because isis has taken over vast parts of their land and was killing many of their citizens. They didn’t do it because we were some great allies.

What’s really the least surprising party about the whole thing is that several of this forums biggest TDS sufferers like yourself are using this to attack trump but yet don’t really want to talk about what is actually going. All you people really want to do is scream trump bad.

Which I agree he is bad. But I am not going to ignore reality simply to yell at trump.
 
dave8383 said:
Nonsense. Particularly coming from you.

Man, that's funny.
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But yet you still can’t discuss the thread topic. You actions speak way louder then your words.

The fact you can’t realize this is extremely funny.
 
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braindrain said:
..........can’t.................
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Can't? Maybe you should work out what the difference is between your wishes and reality. Hasn't isn't the same thing as can't.

I do appreciate your ongoing funny pages material though.
 
VanceMack said:
Most of the people commenting on this couldnt spell 'Kurd' prior to a week and a half ago if you spotted them the Ku and the d and wouldnt nor couldnt give the first **** about them. The only reason they talk about them now is simple....

orange man bad.
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There are still Leftists on here spelling it "Kerd".
 
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