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    Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Erdogan's goal here is to ethnically cleanse the northern Syrian 'Rojava' homeland of the Kurds, America's best ally in Syria for the past four years.

    These ethnic Kurds will be either killed or forcibly removed and replaced with Sunni Syrian refugees from Idlib province where Russian bombing has leveled most cities and towns.

    The YPG/YPJ Kurdish militia's bore the brunt of the fighting on the ground against ISIS and AQ in Syria.



    U.S. Starts Troop Pullout From Turkey's Border In Northeastern Syria

    Trump is betraying an ally and doing his part to allow the ethnic cleansing of Rojava by his dictator friend Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Islamist AK Party.

    It's a sad day for America.


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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    James Mattis must be apoplectic. He's a stickler for standing by allies and this is essentially leaving men on the battlefield.
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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Erdogan's goal here is to ethnically cleanse the northern Syrian 'Rojava' homeland of the Kurds, America's best ally in Syria for the past four years.

    These ethnic Kurds will be either killed or forcibly removed and replaced with Sunni Syrian refugees from Idlib province where Russian bombing has leveled most cities and towns.

    The YPG/YPJ Kurdish militia's bore the brunt of the fighting on the ground against ISIS and AQ in Syria.



    U.S. Starts Troop Pullout From Turkey's Border In Northeastern Syria

    Trump is betraying an ally and doing his part to allow the ethnic cleansing of Rojava by his dictator friend Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Islamist AK Party.

    It's a sad day for America.
    Not only sad, it's a shameful day for America.

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    I thought I had been horrified before, but this brings it up to a new level. We're talking about genocide here, that's what it will be. Trump has committed millions of Kurds to death and we're not talking about Kurdish fighters, this is all Kurds, men, women, children, infants -- ALL of them. Erdogan intends to wipe them off the face of the earth.

    Erdogan should never be trusted. He's every bit as ruthless as Syria's dictator Bashar al-Assad. They would burn, bomb, gas and exterminate anyone that stands in their way. I don't know if anyone remembers the events in Turkey just a few years ago, 2016. I was on a Facebook Live News while the so-called 'coupe d'etat' was occurring in live time.

    I was speaking with people there in Turkey in real time. They explained what was happening as it was going down. Here's the story behind that. President Erdogan had what he perceived were 'enemies' among his generals that were pushing back against his thirst for power. A crowd resisted and clashed with Erdogan's military. Conveniently, Erdogan was out of the capital on that night -- a few days vacation or something. From his safe distance, he implored civilians to rise up against the 'anarchists' that controlled the army, a faction within the Turkish Armed Forces through his 'crooked generals'. Civilians took to the streets to fight for Erdogan against the military and the 'coup d'etat' lasted 3 days and was over.

    During the coup, over 300 people were killed and more than 2,100 were injured. Many government buildings, including the Turkish Parliament and the Presidential Palace (whew, good thing Erdogan was away on vacation) were bombed from the air.with at least 40,000 detained,including at least 10,000 soldiers and, for reasons that remain unclear, 2,745 judges. 15,000 education staff were also suspended and the licenses of 21,000 teachers working at private institutions were revoked as well after the government alleged they were loyal to Fethullah Gülen. More than 77,000 people were arrested and over 160,000 fired from their jobs, on accusations of connections to Gülen. If that isn't a clever way to clean house of all your enemies, what is?

    Erdogan blamed the cleric Fethullah Gulen, who is living in Pennsylvania, for orchestrating the coup against him. Erdogan wants Gulen dead and that's why he involved Michael Flynn who was very willing to accept money from Erdogan to kidnap Gulen from his home and secretly get him out of the country back to Turkey to face execution.










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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Nikki Haley is also criticising Trump's decision, saying that he is "leaving Kurdish allies to die".
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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Rep. Kinzinger on Trump's Syria withdrawal: 'We certainly have not won the war against ISIS'

    Before Trump’s withdrawal announcement, the administration demanded that the SDF remove defensive barriers, leaving the SDF vulnerable to an impending Turkish intervention. And they did so.


    USAF Lieutenant Colonel Adam Kinzinger

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    Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., spoke out Monday against President Trump withdrawing troops in northern Syria and addressed the potential action from Turkey, warning it will embolden Islamic State terrorists. On Monday, Trump defended his decision to withdraw troops, even as his Republican allies in both the Senate and House vehemently criticized the move. Kinzinger, who co-founded the Friends of A Free, Stable and Democratic Syria Caucus, said it shouldn't take very long for Turkey to enter Syria and as a result, the Kurds would have to abandon their ISIS prisoners. "I mean, think about if 10,000 ISIS fighters get released. The president keeps saying we've won this war against ISIS. We certainly have not won the war against ISIS. We've made gains," Kinzinger said Monday on "The Story with Martha MacCallum." "And, if you release 10,000 of them, that's incredible."

    The congressman ripped Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who earlier Monday praised the president's move and criticized the U.S.'s presence in the region and the significance of having a small number of troops present in Syria. "This is exactly the kind of fight that people like Rand Paul actually said he wanted to do instead of 200,000 troops," Kinzinger said. "So, it comes to a point where if... Americans believe that for whatever reason terrorism has decided that they're done fighting, then that's fine, but this is not a U.S. endless war. This is an endless war that the terrorists have decided to do against us." Kinzinger added, "If we can if we can keep that back with three or four hundred troops, we ought to do that."
    I don't agree with Rep. Kinzinger on everything, but he is spot-on here.

    I'm beginning to get the notion that Trump wants to leave the US and the world in as bad a shape as possible for his Democrat successor.

    Related: Trump Syria withdrawal decision immoral and short-sighted | Military Times


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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Rep. Kinzinger on Trump's Syria withdrawal: 'We certainly have not won the war against ISIS'

    Before Trump’s withdrawal announcement, the administration demanded that the SDF remove defensive barriers, leaving the SDF vulnerable to an impending Turkish intervention. And they did so.


    USAF Lieutenant Colonel Adam Kinzinger



    I don't agree with Rep. Kinzinger on everything, but he is spot-on here.

    I'm beginning to get the notion that Trump wants to leave the US and the world in as bad a shape as possible for his Democrat successor.

    Related: Trump Syria withdrawal decision immoral and short-sighted | Military Times

    Trump's decision is a boat load of stupid. I wish I could be more polite, but that's the bare bones part of all this. Clearly it's a decision he's made on his own with no real consideration to what it means to the Kurds; who were the people on the ground fighting ISIS directly. Turkey gets its wish of removing Kurds from their homes and away from the Turkish border in one fell swoop. History shows us that dispossessing people from their homelands doesn't bode well. In this case you could end up with another ME peoples who hate the US, and more importantly, remove the fighters who were making all of those gains against ISIS. Now there will be a vacuum; Trump's only made a statement that it's for others to figure out, but plenty can happen while other nations figure out how to help. I hope it doesn't end as badly as I think it will for the Kurds.

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Erdogan's goal here is to ethnically cleanse the northern Syrian 'Rojava' homeland of the Kurds, America's best ally in Syria for the past four years.

    These ethnic Kurds will be either killed or forcibly removed and replaced with Sunni Syrian refugees from Idlib province where Russian bombing has leveled most cities and towns.
    Of course, it actually helps if you know who it is that is being discussed.

    The main target of these attacks is the YPG (People's Protection Units) and the PYD (Democratic Union Party).

    First of all, these are not really "Kurdish Groups". While most of their members are indeed Kurds, it is nowhere near exclusive to them. And most importantly, these are groups that reject all forms of Nationalism or Ethnic identity. You see, these are very belligerent Marxist-Communist organizations, and are in often violent opposition to the much more mainstream Kurdish National Council.

    In other words, this is a group of Communists who are just 1 member of the vicious multi-faction fighting in the Syrian Civil War. In fact, the PYD, YPG and other allied factions were all evicted from the Kurdish National Alliance in Syria for their extremist views.

    So what, you are actually supporting this group?

    This is the problem of simply buying what is written in an article, without knowing the groups being discussed. Even the vast majority of Kurds want the YPG and PYD eliminated.
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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Such a shame. Trump aught to be ashamed of himself, kowtowing to a vicious ethno-nationalist dictator. But, we all know he won't, and will in all high likelihood double or even triple-down on this in the coming days. Watch

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    Such a shame. Trump aught to be ashamed of himself, kowtowing to a vicious ethno-nationalist dictator. But, we all know he won't, and will in all high likelihood double or even triple-down on this in the coming days. Watch
    Even the Kurds would support this. This is one of the most violent factions in the civil war, and they reject Kurdish Nationality.
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. - John Stuart Mill

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