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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    What astounds me is people who claim to be against endless regime-change war, and then turn around and endorse a brutal dictator's campaign of anschluss.

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    But other than the PKK and similar groups Turkey has actually been rather generous with the Kurds. Not allowing them to set up a separate Kurdistan, but accepting refugees and even giving support to the more moderate groups.

    And Turkey has been exclusively going after the PKK and allied groups, not the other Kurdish fighters. Yet not only do we see most reporting not specify that it is the PKK they are after (calling them simply "Kurds"), but many in here actually defending the PKK. Trying to paint them as "mainstream Kurds", and completely ignoring that almost every group has recognized them as terrorists. As I said, that is like lumping the Taliban and al-Qaeda as being the same as say the Northern Alliance in 2001.

    Or today, trying to combine Fatah and Hamas together as "Palestine". Both groups are indeed Palestinian, but have vastly different goals and how they are trying to achieve them.
    Turkey in general has treated the kurds worse than the other 3 nations, but to be fair that ill treatment did not start with erdogan, it has been ongoing since ataturk in trying to unite turkey and trying to punish minorities who would not abandon their ways for the turks. Things like banning their language, banning mentioning them in schools, banning even mentioning kurds for a long time, as for quite a while it was illegal to identify as a kurd or even call someone a kurd as at the time their law specified that kurds were officially mountain turks.



    Now when it comes to the pkk you are right in that people are trying to lump all the groups together, they did it with the kurds, they did it with palestine, they did it in syria by trying to lump every group including isis and hts in the opposition category, it is nothing more than a strategy to cover up the most brutal aspects of armed opposition by lumping them with the general populace in order to confuse people into thinking a humanitarian crisis is going on when in reality the intended target was either terrorists or armed combatents but ofcourse telling the truth does not further other nations causes nor make good news headlines.
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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Turkey in general has treated the kurds worse than the other 3 nations, but to be fair that ill treatment did not start with erdogan, it has been ongoing since ataturk in trying to unite turkey and trying to punish minorities who would not abandon their ways for the turks. Things like banning their language, banning mentioning them in schools, banning even mentioning kurds for a long time, as for quite a while it was illegal to identify as a kurd or even call someone a kurd as at the time their law specified that kurds were officially mountain turks.
    That was nothing unusual at all in that era. Japan also did the exact same thing in nations they had annexed, including Okinawa. And to a lesser extent Korea.

    Take over an area, and try to get the population to identify as members of the new rulers. And hopefully within a few generations they actually will be exactly that.

    However, like the Jews, the Kurds have been amazingly resistant to assimilation. And like with the Armenians, there are a lot of old hatreds that causes many to actively resist that kind of assimilation.

    Which is why I am glad I am an "American". We really do not have a "nationality" as most in the world recognize it. We are a conglomerate of people around the world, who within the last 240 or so years have come to identify with an essentially made-up nationality. That has no real connection to any single country or even Continent. Your ancestors could come from anywhere in the world, and you can be an "American".
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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    The Trump administration has joined with Russia in vetoing a UN Security Council resolution condemning his dictator friend Erdogan’s ethnic cleansing operation in Syria.

    Trump and Putin against the other permanent UNSC members plus against the [former] US ally Syrian Kurds. Let that sink in.


    "I earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor." — Gen. James Mattis, former Secretary of Defense who resigned in December 2018 due to Trumps plans to betray the Kurds of Syria.

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    "I earned my spurs on the battlefield ... Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor." — Gen. James Mattis, former Secretary of Defense who resigned in December 2018 due to Trumps plans to betray the Kurds of Syria.

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    Re: Erdogan says Turkey to launch 'air and ground' operation in Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    The Trump administration has joined with Russia in vetoing a UN Security Council resolution condemning his dictator friend Erdogan’s ethnic cleansing operation in Syria.

    Trump and Putin against the other permanent UNSC members plus against the [former] US ally Syrian Kurds. Let that sink in.
    This is a sad day. The UN has been hijacked by personality cultists...

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