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Trump Tweets Sensitive Surveillance Image Of Iran

Who says this is a sensitive image?

Read the article. NOBODY said so. It is just a title added to the story having no connection to the story.

This was a wise thing for President Trump to do - let Iran know we are watching everything they are doing and sardonically offering to help with their disastrously failed attempted launch of a ballistic missile. That tweet conveys a very strong message to Iran.
 
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BTW, the President can reveal any information he choses.

Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'? | PolitiFact

Of course Politifact tries to "nuance" this by adding "just because Trump’s actions were legal doesn’t necessarily mean they were wise."

Bottom line, the President can do what he did and all the moaning about it amounts to a hill of beans. :coffeepap:

All true. The next question on my mind is why?

Who says this is a sensitive image?

Experts do - it's in the headline. ;)

Experts from NPR? Anonymous so called 'experts'? :roll: Here we go again. Anonymous sources again.
 
The redacted classification markers say at one point these images were in fact, sensitive information. Satellite imagery in particular is extremely sensitive due to revealing their capabilities, and their orbiting paths. The less opposition like China (who seek to disable our satellites) the better.

Agreed. So one would have to assume that there's some reason, so gain, that would off set these considerations. I've left wonder what they might be.
 
Read the article. NOBODY said so. It is just a title added to the story having no connection to the story.

This was a wise thing for President Trump to do - let Iran know we are watching everything they are doing and sardonically offering to help with their disastrously failed attempted launch of a ballistic missile. That tweet conveys a very strong message to Iran.

I would have to think that there's more to it than just that, but maybe not. :shrug:
 
Yup.

But those examples were declassifications for specific purpose, to achieve specific national goals. The goal of this was to.... Troll Iran?

Im not sure what the goal of this was, but Im not seeing the big deal either. A week ago we got these satellite surveillance photos of an NK submarine, what is the difference between that photo and the one Trump tweeted? Why is one making people lose their minds and the other not?
Photos show North Korea closer to building submarine that can launch missiles - ABC News
 
Im not sure what the goal of this was, but Im not seeing the big deal either. A week ago we got these satellite surveillance photos of an NK submarine, what is the difference between that photo and the one Trump tweeted? Why is one making people lose their minds and the other not?
Photos show North Korea closer to building submarine that can launch missiles - ABC News
A couple of things come to mind.

1. Photos and other such collection that is released in a deliberate process can be obfuscated enough to disguise capability. This appears instead to be something POTUS just decided to tweet out, just because.

2. Intelligence is classified according to collection methodology, and the assessed harm to the nation that would come with it's release. Sometimes, it's worth harming national security in this manner in order to achieve an end - getting Western concurrence on the Cuban missile crises, for example. Harming national security for the lols, or because you are lazy, or because you dislike American policy is a different thing altogether. That's why Hillary's emails were a big deal, and it's why Edward Snowden is an f'ing traitor.
 
A couple of things come to mind.

1. Photos and other such collection that is released in a deliberate process can be obfuscated enough to disguise capability. This appears instead to be something POTUS just decided to tweet out, just because.

2. Intelligence is classified according to collection methodology, and the assessed harm to the nation that would come with it's release. Sometimes, it's worth harming national security in this manner in order to achieve an end - getting Western concurrence on the Cuban missile crises, for example. Harming national security for the lols, or because you are lazy, or because you dislike American policy is a different thing altogether. That's why Hillary's emails were a big deal, and it's why Edward Snowden is an f'ing traitor.

Makes sense, but what is the harm? Or potential harm?
 
Makes sense, but what is the harm? Or potential harm?
Exposing US collections means, methods, and capabilities harms our ability to determine the intentions, capabilities, and activities of our opponents.

Making up an example: let's say we developed the ability to geolocate (say) any satellite phone in the world. And then let's say, a politician went on television and bragged that we were close to finding a terrorist leader, because we were tracking his sat phone.

Well, not only is that particular leader going to ditch his sat phone, so is everyone else. Suddenly, we are losing track of terrorists, Russian spies, and narco leadership around the globe, meaning our ability to stop them is hindered, and their ability to do us harm is increased.

Sometimes, loss of a capability just means the loss of taxpayer money and time. Other times, it translates into lost lives.

That doesn't mean it's not worth it to expose them on occasion - we go to war, after all, knowing we are asking at least some 19 year olds to die for us, because we judge the goal to be worth their lives. But it does mean that the decision to do so should be measured, deliberate, and informed; not because someone found it entertaining to do so.
 
Until that private server also has humint and imint very much like the basis for this thread on it as well. Hillary sent information like this over unclassified networks and kept it in an unclassified private server.

Good for Goose, Good for Gander.

Yeah except nothing on her server was anywhere near as damaging as this, and nothing was released or hacked...
 
Yeah except nothing on her server was anywhere near as damaging as this, and nothing was released or hacked...
:shrug: unfortunately, you are incorrect. In fact, IMINT was mong the classified information that Hillary decided to send over unclassified lines as well (along with other material), and, her phone and server likely (one of the difficulties with cyber is that it is exceedingly difficult to Prove things) was indeed penetrated by foreign governments.

Hillary Clinton’s Email Was Probably Hacked, Experts Say - The New York Times

Hillary Clinton's Phone Intercepted by German intelligence Agency

Chinese company hacked Hillary Clinton's email server: Report


Etc so on and so forth. FBI said they couldn't find proof (personally I would have asked NSA) (and I wonder what was in the items they destroyed rather than turn over) but SECSTATE is a major intelligence Target of almost any foreign government, which is why it's particularly important their devices not have classified in them.

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Yup.

But those examples were declassifications for specific purpose, to achieve specific national goals. The goal of this was to.... Troll Iran?

By announcing we know about their failures, and the extent of them sends a message. As I said earlier, psy-ops.

"You are not as slick as you think you are! We know what you tried, we know it failed, and we are telling the world about it!"

So yes, "Trolling Iran" is very much in the scope of psychological warfare.
 
By announcing we know about their failures, and the extent of them sends a message. As I said earlier, psy-ops.

"You are not as slick as you think you are! We know what you tried, we know it failed, and we are telling the world about it!"

So yes, "Trolling Iran" is very much in the scope of psychological warfare.

......no. I'm going to go ahead and say the odds of this being deliberate IO campaign are roughly ~1-5%; right up there with "maybe it was a picture taken by an off-the-shelf drone" and "reports that the Russians have killed innocent civilians in Syria are all just CIA propaganda".

This is not how you message Iranian incompetence, if you wanted to have an actual campaign doing so.
 
Im not sure what the goal of this was, but Im not seeing the big deal either. A week ago we got these satellite surveillance photos of an NK submarine, what is the difference between that photo and the one Trump tweeted? Why is one making people lose their minds and the other not?
Photos show North Korea closer to building submarine that can launch missiles - ABC News

It is no different at all. In fact, 90% of what I am reading here is really all just political, and has nothing to do with the images at all.

In fact, here is the same image from Google Maps.

Google Maps

Now this has to be a rather old bird, the resolution is not very good. But here is something that shows how good such images can be. Here is a similar image, taken over 2 US Naval ships at the exact same resolution.

Google Maps

This one is so good that you can zoom it in many times more, even to the point that you can see individual patches on the deck of the ship.

And this satellite can give resolutions that seem to be even higher than that of the image over Iran that everybody is loosing their minds over.

I am still mostly laughing at this thread. All it really is is a bunch of people trying to drum up hate, and really nothing else. They are not even looking at a lot of other examples, including images that are available to the public that are just as good.

But high quality images of military facilities are not hard to find, if you just know where to look.

Google Maps
 
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