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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
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    No they don't. Even if they are spayed they are still too horny and the damned rainbow dust is always a pain to clean up, not to mention the glowing techno-colour turds they drop everywhere.

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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    Erdogan has destroyed Turkey the way Trump has destroyed American and Johnson will destroy Great Britain.

    What a freakin time in world history.

    Thank God for France and Germany.
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    Never thank God for France. It will immediately go to their heads and they will become far more insufferable than they normally are. Tęte toi, la!

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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    I hate auto-correct! That's " Tais toi, la!". Apologies.

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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilroddy View Post
    Fledermaus:

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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    The su-24 shot down though pissed off russia but it also was in the wrong airspace, and it was an older model not adapted for international radio frequencies specifically for things like someone warning you that you entered their airspace. Most russian equipment since the 80's has included international radio channels for things like airspace warnings, distress calls etc, the older su-22 and su-24 models had not all been upgraded and many were still using russian only frequencies meaning they would not recieve any warning from turkey no matter how many times they broadcast the warning.

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    Russia had been violating Turkey airspace consistently and repeatedly prior to the Turkey F-16 shooting down the Russian Su-24 in November 2015.

    In October Turkey shot down an unidentified drone in its airspace. One would think the message there would be clear to everyone flying around bombing this rebel group and that Syrian government force.

    A couple of weeks before the Turkey F-16 shootdown of the Russian flying boxcar the US-European Command deployed six USAF F-15 fighters from their base in Britain to Incirlik Air Base in Turkey to reinforce Turkey in its complaints about violations of its airspace.

    Overflights are made here and there in hots spots around the world yet Turkey was clear to Russia and everyone else about its airspace. Turkey demonstrated on a drone several weeks before the turkey shoot of the Su-24. Turkey consistently complained to Russia about overflights. One pilot died and the other got banged up. Pilots want to fly planes they should know where they are, if they don't know already. These Russian pilots knew.
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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    A realist yes, wanting a peaceful co existence, well somewhat as long as you do not cross his boundaries. He sold them the s-400 system but also recently attacked their convoy in syria, and has left many conflicting answers to turkey whether they are friends or enemies.

    With such gear you can just view it as business more than trying to be peaceful, heck russia had even admitted they would sell america the s400 export model if they wanted to buy it, they are in a rapid buildup of their military and are using export sales to fund research and development, so any sale made that showcases their wares is just boosted sales which can be used for building up their military. With turkey it is a double bonus for them with a nato country buying russian gear, makes russian gear look even better to other nations wanting to buy.


    Russia would turn on turkey if turkey tried to pull a fast one on them, and turkey seems to change allegience lately towards anyone meeting their interests, meaning they are not a reliable partner for peace or friendly co existence.
    As a percentage of GNP Russia spends but a small fraction of what the US spends on its military. If Putin were interested in war, he would have retaliated for the shootdown in Syria by the Turk F-16.

    The question is, can Russia save Europe from US predation? Can he save the US from itself?

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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by noonereal View Post
    You just outed yourself.
    I outed myself years ago. What's new is that you just figured it out.

    That suggests that indeed, you are no one very real. At least very informed.

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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    As a percentage of GNP Russia spends but a small fraction of what the US spends on its military. If Putin were interested in war, he would have retaliated for the shootdown in Syria by the Turk F-16.

    The question is, can Russia save Europe from US predation? Can he save the US from itself?
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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    As a percentage of GNP Russia spends but a small fraction of what the US spends on its military. If Putin were interested in war, he would have retaliated for the shootdown in Syria by the Turk F-16.

    The question is, can Russia save Europe from US predation? Can he save the US from itself?
    Most measures use gdp over gnp for defense spending, and russia actually spends more as a percentage of gdp than america does, infact if you go by just gdp to defense spending america is not very high on that list, saudi arabia oman russia etc all spend higher percentages of gdp on defense spending, I believe you are thinking of overall spending rather than a percentage of gdp.

    Now in terms of retaliation, if russia was in turklsh airspace, and responded to their jet getting shotdown, then it would nato since the shootdown would have been legal therefore making a russian military retaliation not a defense but an offense which would trigger nato defense requirements.

    There is a reason such retaliations for aircraft getting shot down for violating airspace only occur against poor and weak countries, because against major nations the result would easily escalate to all out war or even world war, in which no sane nation on earth would want over an incident so small. There is a reason the united states really could do nothing over gary powers u2 that was shot down over soviet territory, and that was that international laws had been well established and defending airspace is defensive not offensive, and in no known universe would defending your own airspace count as a hostile act.
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    Re: Delivery to Turkey

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Most measures use gdp over gnp for defense spending, and russia actually spends more as a percentage of gdp than america does, infact if you go by just gdp to defense spending america is not very high on that list, saudi arabia oman russia etc all spend higher percentages of gdp on defense spending, I believe you are thinking of overall spending rather than a percentage of gdp.

    Now in terms of retaliation, if russia was in turklsh airspace, and responded to their jet getting shotdown, then it would nato since the shootdown would have been legal therefore making a russian military retaliation not a defense but an offense which would trigger nato defense requirements.

    There is a reason such retaliations for aircraft getting shot down for violating airspace only occur against poor and weak countries, because against major nations the result would easily escalate to all out war or even world war, in which no sane nation on earth would want over an incident so small. There is a reason the united states really could do nothing over gary powers u2 that was shot down over soviet territory, and that was that international laws had been well established and defending airspace is defensive not offensive, and in no known universe would defending your own airspace count as a hostile act.
    Thanks for the correction on economic terms. I am no economist.

    I found Putin's statement at the UN in the fall of 2015 to be a great display of statesmanship, something the US has not equaled in as long as I can remember.

    He went on the world stage and announced Russia was standing behind its longtime ally Syria. In the succeeding months he followed through on his promise, and eventually the Israeli and US elements of ISIS were in retreat. That is statesmanship IMO.

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