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Two sentenced after lying to judge about military service

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Cascade County District Judge Greg Pinski came down hard Friday on two men who falsely claimed to the court that they’d served in the military.

Two sentenced after lying to judge about military service


It appears that both men attempted to claim they were veterans in order to get reduced sentences; in addition to receiving prison, both had to meet the following conditions in order to be considered for parole:

Personally hand-write the names of all 6,756 Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personally hand-write the obituaries of the 40 Montanans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personally hand-write letters of apology identifying themselves as having lied about military service to the American Legion, AMVETS, the Disabled American Veterans, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Vietnam Veterans of America.
He also assigned both men 441 hours of community service, one hour for each of the Montanans killed in combat since the Korean War.
 
I wish that everyone who lies in court were severely punished.

There might be a lot less of the perjury that goes on everyday in our civil and criminal courts.

Judge Judy, for example, has a knack for uncovering liars!
 
While the sentence seems very much to be poetic justice I have to wonder if it’s actually legal.
 
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
Cascade County District Judge Greg Pinski came down hard Friday on two men who falsely claimed to the court that they’d served in the military.

Two sentenced after lying to judge about military service


It appears that both men attempted to claim they were veterans in order to get reduced sentences; in addition to receiving prison, both had to meet the following conditions in order to be considered for parole:

Personally hand-write the names of all 6,756 Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personally hand-write the obituaries of the 40 Montanans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personally hand-write letters of apology identifying themselves as having lied about military service to the American Legion, AMVETS, the Disabled American Veterans, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Vietnam Veterans of America.
He also assigned both men 441 hours of community service, one hour for each of the Montanans killed in combat since the Korean War.

:applaud
 
While the sentence seems very much to be poetic justice I have to wonder if it’s actually legal.

I see no legal problem with it as it is a condition of probation. Both can refuse, then not be eligible for probation. One on has a legal right to probation whatsoever. Probation is basically the court setting aside the sentence to give the person a break from it. The presumption is the person serves his/her full sentence, not a presumption for probation unless proven the person shouldn't get probation.

Even IF the sentence was declared prohibited, then it would reset ALL sentencing. In that instance, the judge could say "OK, then I sentence both of you to the maximum sentence for each offense" - which would be far worse given ALL the offenses they could be charged with and given the maximum for each.
 
I see no legal problem with it as it is a condition of probation. Both can refuse, then not be eligible for probation. One on has a legal right to probation whatsoever. Probation is basically the court setting aside the sentence to give the person a break from it. The presumption is the person serves his/her full sentence, not a presumption for probation unless proven the person shouldn't get probation.

Even IF the sentence was declared prohibited, then it would reset ALL sentencing. In that instance, the judge could say "OK, then I sentence both of you to the maximum sentence for each offense" - which would be far worse given ALL the offenses they could be charged with and given the maximum for each.

Could be. I brought it up only because I remember a couple of judges recently getting their hands slapped for doing something similar though I don’t remember the details to be honest.
 
Could be. I brought it up only because I remember a couple of judges recently getting their hands slapped for doing something similar though I don’t remember the details to be honest.

It happens when judges grant odd conditions of probation. Not often, but sometimes.
 
Although only a commercial trucking traffic case, the ticket against truck driver was because the bill of lading his boss had given him said the tank contained "unleaded gasoline." State law said that was ok, but also said the federal DOT can establish other rules that then controlled state law as well. After careful research, it was a technical violation.

The violation? Those 2 words were in the wrong order. The Bill of Lading should have stated "gasoline - unlead" and not "unleaded gasoline." Noting it took the judge 2 hours to figure this out, the judge found the driver guilty, but made it a deferred adjudication for 60 days - and if the driver didn't violate that provision again the case would retroactively be dismissed.

The prosecutor said it really is a very technical case the he did not enjoy prosecuting and thought the deputy was a bit of ass for writing it, but technically the minimum fine is $500 and it does not allow for any lesser amount nor allows for deferred adjudication.

The judge looked at the statute, and agreed with the prosecutor that the ruling of the court was outside of law and therefore null and void. So instead the judge found the truck driver not guilty. The deputy started to object, but the prosecutor told the deputy he should "quit while your ahead - and I suggest you don't file any more bullsh-t tickets in this court again both because of the judge and me."

If a higher court ruled the sentence of that judge with those two fake soldiers in not allowed, that judge could then instead sentence them both to maximum sentence with no probation whatsoever. Those two should quit or it likely would be far worse.
 
Cascade County District Judge Greg Pinski came down hard Friday on two men who falsely claimed to the court that they’d served in the military.

Two sentenced after lying to judge about military service


It appears that both men attempted to claim they were veterans in order to get reduced sentences; in addition to receiving prison, both had to meet the following conditions in order to be considered for parole:

Personally hand-write the names of all 6,756 Americans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personally hand-write the obituaries of the 40 Montanans killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personally hand-write letters of apology identifying themselves as having lied about military service to the American Legion, AMVETS, the Disabled American Veterans, the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Vietnam Veterans of America.
He also assigned both men 441 hours of community service, one hour for each of the Montanans killed in combat since the Korean War.

Why on earth would being a vet get someone a reduced sentence?

WTF?????
 
Why on earth would being a vet get someone a reduced sentence?

WTF?????

It depends on the instance. Like for example if a vet was constantly insulted at a bar and beat the crap out of the guy and got charged with assault, veteran status and especially things like ptsd would affect the ruling, while things like murder and rape would recieve no seperate punishment being veteran or not ptsd or not.

There have been vets who have walked away from marijuana charges because of ptsd, and other vets with harder drugs like meth or heroin get no jail time but rather rehab instead due to their situations.
 
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