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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    When the helmsman of a navy warship can’t steer it, we have a problem.

    I hope someone from the Navy chrips up.
    I agree. I'm not familiar with this steering system; in my day the helmsman turned the helm and had direct feedback that the rudder was actually moving.
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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    When the helmsman of a navy warship can’t steer it, we have a problem.

    I hope someone from the Navy chrips up.
    I'm not discounting equipment malfunctions at all. Just saying hacking is pretty low on the problem cause list, IMHO.
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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    It is possible however it is much more likely that the touchscreen controls were just universally hated to begin with and the collisions reinforced that hatred.

    Poor design isn't limited to cars and trucks.
    I mentioned that because I've almost crashed due to the stupid automatic transmission SHIFT KNOB that Chrysler (and several other manufacturers) has switched to.

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    Someone forgot to tell Chrysler and the other companies that vehicles aren't washing machines, and I guess someone forgot to tell the Navy that destroyers aren't video games.
    Piss poor design, or more likely fad design.
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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    It is possible however it is much more likely that the touchscreen controls were just universally hated to begin with and the collisions reinforced that hatred.

    Poor design isn't limited to cars and trucks.
    I mentioned that because I've almost crashed due to the stupid automatic transmission SHIFT KNOB that Chrysler (and several other manufacturers) has switched to.

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    Someone forgot to tell Chrysler and the other companies that vehicles aren't washing machines, and I guess someone forgot to tell the Navy that destroyers aren't video games.
    Wasn't this part of the issue with that actor from the star trek movies being crushed to death by his jeep? I was thinking there was something about that vehicle to where people couldn't clearly tell if it was in neutral or park.

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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    By the way, the "helm" (ha ha I know it's not a helm) on that Chrysler (steering) is absolutely wonderful.
    A 5400 pound van that handles (and accelerates) "almost" like a sports car and rides like an S Class MBZ.
    You can actually get sideways in it and feel that it is in control.
    It's just that idiotic knob that I hate.
    I understand that it's all "by wire" now but one has to remember that it is still being controlled by humans and humans need a "LEVER" of some kind to shift. Our bodies and muscle memory are more inclined to understand shifting gears with a lever.
    Don't ask me why.
    Other than that it's one of the best built vehicles I've ever owned.

    And boats/ships need a helm shaped like a wheel, there is no getting beyond that.
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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    Wasn't this part of the issue with that actor from the star trek movies being crushed to death by his jeep? I was thinking there was something about that vehicle to where people couldn't clearly tell if it was in neutral or park.
    Sigh, unfortunately yes. I don't remember if it was because they couldn't tell if it was in Neutral or Park or some other reason but the Jeep did have one of those knobs.
    Thing is, you can EASILY TELL it's in whatever gear it is in...it's when you go to shift, your hands aren't going to be used to spinning a tiny knob one millimeter clockwise or anti-clockwise when you're driving.

    When driving, and one needs to shift, one needs some kind of "lever or stick", even if it is just an electronic control anyway. The other thing is, in my van, that shift knob is very close to the radio and on one occasion my wife almost threw the van into PARK while trying to "adjust the volume."

    Fortunately the engine computer just flashed a nag note on screen: "Vehicle speed too fast for PARK"

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    ♪♩ DING! DING! DING!♪♩)

    "Excuse me, what the Hell are you doing shifting th...."

    "OMG I am so sorry, I was trying to turn down the volume!"

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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    GUIs are an art and a science, very tough to do correctly.
    I wonder how much simulation time they had on the new systems...the actual people using it, before they used them for real. My guess, not long enough.

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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    Sigh, unfortunately yes. I don't remember if it was because they couldn't tell if it was in Neutral or Park or some other reason but the Jeep did have one of those knobs.
    Thing is, you can EASILY TELL it's in whatever gear it is in...it's when you go to shift, your hands aren't going to be used to spinning a tiny knob one millimeter clockwise or anti-clockwise when you're driving.

    When driving, and one needs to shift, one needs some kind of "lever or stick", even if it is just an electronic control anyway. The other thing is, in my van, that shift knob is very close to the radio and on one occasion my wife almost threw the van into PARK while trying to "adjust the volume."

    Fortunately the engine computer just flashed a nag note on screen: "Vehicle speed too fast for PARK"

    (
    ♪♩ DING! DING! DING!♪♩)

    "Excuse me, what the Hell are you doing shifting th...."

    "OMG I am so sorry, I was trying to turn down the volume!"

    I have thrown a moving car in park on purpose before when its brakes went out and the emergency brake was useless. It wasn't as doom and gloom as you would think though I am pretty sure the grinding coming out of the transmission wasn't a good sign. May be different with new cars. That was an old buick grocery getter my parents had.

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    Re: Navy scrapping touchscreen controls on destroyers after deadly collisions: report

    Quote Originally Posted by Drawdown View Post
    Wasn't this part of the issue with that actor from the star trek movies being crushed to death by his jeep? I was thinking there was something about that vehicle to where people couldn't clearly tell if it was in neutral or park.

    The Jeep SUV that crushed "Star Trek" actor Anton Yelchin this weekend had been flagged by the automaker for a problem that could cause the vehicle to roll away.

    Unlike most gear selectors, which are in forward or back positions depending on whether the car is in park, reverse, neutral or drive, these cars' gear selectors always return to the upright position after a driver changes gear. If a driver gets out of a car when it's in neutral, the vehicle could roll away.

    So it did not have a rotary knob.

    Here's the recall fix:



    After seeing the video I can only conclude that the accident that killed the guy isn't entirely due to a Chrysler fault.
    It was mostly due to simple carelessness, unfortunately.

    The problem with the ROTARY shifter knob is that you think you're shifting from D to R or R to D and you can accidentally slam it into PARK or Neutral instead. I've now gotten into the habit of ALWAYS using the PARKING BRAKE as well, so no matter what, the vehicle will not move.
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