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Drone In Iranian Airspace?

Fledermaus said:
A Putin Aide disagreeing with the US....

I AM SHOCKED I TELL YOU.... SHOCKED!
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There hasn’t been much talk about the incident from the Administration, or have I missed something?
 
WCH said:
Bet he hates America and all it stands for too.
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At least have the spine to quote me directly! He, who?
 
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Felis Leo said:
Is there any more to this article? It is literally two sentences. Without corroborating evidence, why should I believe anything that our duplicitous global adversary and Iranian trading partner has to say?
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I agree, there is almost no journalism to this story or a push for additional information from... well... anyone.

Uselessness from Reuters.
 
Felis Leo said:
Is there any more to this article? It is literally two sentences. Without corroborating evidence, why should I believe anything that our duplicitous global adversary and Iranian trading partner has to say?
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You don't think "Speaking at a briefing for journalists in Jerusalem, Patrushev said evidence presented by the United States alleging Iran was behind attacks on ships in the Gulf of Oman was poor quality and unprofessional" says it all? ;)
 
Could the USA have penetrated Iranian airspace with the drone? Yes
Did they? We dont know
 
Quag said:
Could the USA have penetrated Iranian airspace with the drone? Yes
Did they? We dont know
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Could the us have, not only yes but likely, however unknown. In missions like that drones are best as they lose only an aircraft if something goes wrong, as with manned aircraft the pilot's are becoming harder to replace than the aircraft themselves.

What is known though is not much, nearly all the drone parts were recovered in iranian waters, and iran has been more upfront with all the info while the us has done some shoddy google maps stuff and blurry video worse than 1920's camera quality as proof. We do violate other nations airspace quite often,it is highly possible we did not anticipate them have the capability or the will to do it, expecially since in the past they have not fired at us for doing it.
 
Rexedgar said:
The downing of the Navy drone has kind of fallen off the news cycle; maybe Russia/Iran are correct?

Putin aide: downed U.S. drone was in Iranian airspace - Reuters
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No matter the subject line, the sad truth today is that it's way better than 50% that any statement made by the US is false. Herr Pompeo just reminded us a few months back that he and his "lie, cheat and steal".

Odds are the Russians and Chinese and others are telling the truth as the US deceives.
 
Quag said:
Could the USA have penetrated Iranian airspace with the drone? Yes
Did they? We dont know
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There is not much need to do so. From altitude, our aircraft (manned or unmanned) can generally see far enough into foreign territory to see whatever they need to. They can fly at just under 60,000 feet, which gives them a long view into the terrain around them.

However, it also must be remembered that Iran claims all of the Strait of Hormuz. They have "closed" it many times over the decades, and insist that they have the right to do so as it all lies within their territory. And the fact that "Iranian Fishermen" are claimed to have recovered the drone shows it was over the water and not their land.

However, this worries me because they shot down a non-hostile aircraft without provocation. This kind of behavior is what leads to tragedies like the KAL 007 incident in 1983. This incent had ripples that impacted US-USSR relations for the remainder of the decade. It is only a matter of time until they shoot down a manned aircraft unless Iran takes a step back and reconsiders what it is doing.
 
Oozlefinch said:
There is not much need to do so. From altitude, our aircraft (manned or unmanned) can generally see far enough into foreign territory to see whatever they need to. They can fly at just under 60,000 feet, which gives them a long view into the terrain around them.

However, it also must be remembered that Iran claims all of the Strait of Hormuz. They have "closed" it many times over the decades, and insist that they have the right to do so as it all lies within their territory. And the fact that "Iranian Fishermen" are claimed to have recovered the drone shows it was over the water and not their land.

However, this worries me because they shot down a non-hostile aircraft without provocation. This kind of behavior is what leads to tragedies like the KAL 007 incident in 1983. This incent had ripples that impacted US-USSR relations for the remainder of the decade. It is only a matter of time until they shoot down a manned aircraft unless Iran takes a step back and reconsiders what it is doing.
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Agreed
 
WCH said:
A beacon of light in an otherwise dark world.

Isn't that why people are breaking the law and risking life and limb to come here?
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Borderline sharia law in 14 states, concentration camps, and authoritarianism. Yeah, sounds like a lamp held high.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Borderline sharia law in 14 states, concentration camps, and authoritarianism. Yeah, sounds like a lamp held high.
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The tinfoil hat brigade musters down in the Conspiracy Theory area, not here in the military section.

And it is more than slightly ironic that somebody who claims to be a "Socialist" has an issue with authoritarianism. Since the only way that system has ever been implemented is under an authoritarian government.
 
Oozlefinch said:
The tinfoil hat brigade musters down in the Conspiracy Theory area, not here in the military section.

And it is more than slightly ironic that somebody who claims to be a "Socialist" has an issue with authoritarianism. Since the only way that system has ever been implemented is under an authoritarian government.
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If you're okay with the rape & incest club, that's hardly my problem.

And yeah, Norway and Canada are absolute iron curtain nightmares.
 
Hamish Howl said:
If you're okay with the rape & incest club, that's hardly my problem.

And yeah, Norway and Canada are absolute iron curtain nightmares.
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Norway is a Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. Canada is a Federal Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. Neither one of them is "Socialist".

Do you want to know what countries are Socialist?

China. A Unitary One-Party Socialist Republic.
Cuba. A Unitary Marxist–Leninist One-party Socialist Republic.
North Korea. A Unitary One-Party Socialist Republic.

And there are others, like Vietnam. None of which is high on the list of nations most people want to move to.

Do not confuse a nation having some Socialist ideas with being a Socialist country. That is infantile thinking.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Norway is a Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. Canada is a Federal Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. Neither one of them is "Socialist".
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This is the point where I point and laugh at a guy who can't differentiate between a governmental system and an economic system.

Like this ---> :lol:
 
Felis Leo said:
Is there any more to this article? It is literally two sentences. Without corroborating evidence, why should I believe anything that our duplicitous global adversary and Iranian trading partner has to say?
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Three choices.

Believe what a bunch of liars from the US government have to say
Believe what a bunch of liars from the Russian government have to say
Don't believe what liars have to say.
 
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