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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

    Quote Originally Posted by BahamaBob View Post
    I don't see any combat experience. Would you hire someone to build you a house who had never built a house? Just asking.
    Eh, nowadays divisions are strategic formations, not tactical, so the lack of experience in combat isn't really a big deal. Modern day divisions are large and complex organizations, with the ability to manage and coordinate being the most important skill sets to have.

    And to be honest, brigade and battalion commanders have a far bigger impact on the performance of the rank and file than Generals do.

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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

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    Eh, nowadays divisions are strategic formations, not tactical, so the lack of experience in combat isn't really a big deal. Modern day divisions are large and complex organizations, with the ability to manage and coordinate being the most important skill sets to have.

    And to be honest, brigade and battalion commanders have a far bigger impact on the performance of the rank and file than Generals do.

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    The only general I was ever within meters of was the inspector general. Once, my boot polish (cheater stuff) was still wet (extra boots on top of the closet). I ****ed that white glove up good.

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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

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    The only general I was ever within meters of was the inspector general. Once, my boot polish (cheater stuff) was still wet (extra boots on top of the closet). I ****ed that white glove up good.



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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

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    I thought for sure I was getting a company article 15. I have no idea how nothing happened. You shoulda seen the IG's face when he pulled his hand back and the palm was black. I 'bout laughed, but no one else thought it was funny. I guess they laughed later.

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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

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    Maybe so. What stands out to me is that she's a woman who's "made it" in a man's world.
    She isn't special. She's just another soldier.
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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

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    She isn't special. She's just another soldier.
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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

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    Just another swinging dick.
    That would be sexual harassment to call her that.
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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Eh, nowadays divisions are strategic formations, not tactical, so the lack of experience in combat isn't really a big deal. Modern day divisions are large and complex organizations, with the ability to manage and coordinate being the most important skill sets to have.

    And to be honest, brigade and battalion commanders have a far bigger impact on the performance of the rank and file than Generals do.

    "Ah! the Generals! they are numerous, but not good for much!" - Aristophanes
    Divisions are a collection of tactical elements, from brigade down to a fire team. Division commanders need to be expert in infantry tactics at every echelon to properly evaluate the troops. It would be bad for morale and discipline if the troops discovered that Division 6 didn't know about their job.

    When I was in the 5th ID, the division commander carried a tape measure and blank range cards when he inspected soldiers in the field. The tape measure was for measuring fighting positions and if your range card was ****ed up, he would make you a new one, show you what you did wrong, show you how to do it right and then chew ass from the squad leader up to the company commander. He was real hands on and one-on-one like that.
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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

    Quote Originally Posted by BahamaBob View Post
    I don't see any combat experience. Would you hire someone to build you a house who had never built a house? Just asking.
    I wouldn't care if the general contractor ever has touched a hammer in his or her life. Not in the slightest.

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    Re: 1st woman to lead Army infantry division

    For my kid in the military and who was in multiple actions in multiple theaters of combat, the opinion is that things would go much better if high ranking officers would just stay away and do their paperwork because they usually don't have a damn clue what they're talking about. Let the combat team do what they do best. Colonels and generals are best at paperwork and bureaucratic protocols.

    She has had more than her share of showdowns with colonels. The colonels always lost. Neither her nor anyone on her team is going to die because of a dumbass anal colonel. Among all her duties, included was telling anyone else "no" when it came to missions and the equipment of it. She has that in written orders and protocols. She can not order things to happen, but she can order anything to not happen.

    Then again, that is iffy. Another hearing was over her engaging the enemy when specifically ordered not to. She had a clever technical defense ("confusingly worded order") and the reviewing officers had combat experience themselves, so understood her motive. If you see the enemy, clearly the enemy, and can kill the enemy, you kill the enemy. Some officer on the other end of a radio doesn't really know what's happening. Particularly when that enemy had shot at you and your team. Kill them. Simple to understand, no?

    On one occasion she was brought up on charges by a colonel equating to mutiny when she ordered her crew not to proceed in defiance of a colonel and then she broke equipment to prevent the mission proceeding when he assembled another crew and team. The end result was the colonel was given the option of retiring honorably or facing court martial himself. The colonel broke many written protocols trying to end run around her and the investigation showed that everyone would have died but for her refusal and actions.

    This woman was not promoted to lead banzai infantry charges. Her real job is logistics, protocols, regulations, personnel matters and paperwork.
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