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A Stain on the Honor of the Navy

Glitch said:
It is a shame the ship was ever christened the John McCain. Sen. McCain was a complete disgrace and total scum that should have been thrown in prison in 1989 for his involvement with the Keating Five.
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McCain was cleared in the Keating Five, tho it was not his finest hour. Sort of pales in comparison with Trump’s frauds.

The takeaway message is not that Trump was involved is this recent snafu, but that some on his staff thought he was so petty and small-minded. Can’t blame them.
 
apdst said:
That's exactly what I did. That's irrelevant, however. If someone who served in the Navy is going to bitch about Trump getting a medical deferment, it begs the question: did one join the Navy because it was the safer and easier option?
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The guys on the PBR's would presumably have an issue or two with your designation of it as "safer" or "easier"
 
Evilroddy said:
Rogue Valley:

Who is the commander in chief over all of the Navy? Refusing such an order from the Whitehouse and the acting Sec. of Def. would be tantamount to mutiny, would it not?

The stain is not on the Navy but on the Administration. The Navy did what it must, follow orders. The Irony is the ship is not even named after the late Senator McCain, so Mr. Trump's displeasure is as usual born out of ignorance and visceral impulse. Perhaps when he is no longer president the US Navy will appropriately honour him by naming a garbage scow the USS Trump.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Well actually it is named after him, his Name was added to his father's and grandfathers...
 
apdst said:
Yeah, I bet that was pretty cool. I should've done something like that. Anything but the ****ing infantry.
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Dumbest words I have ever spoken, were said in a recruiters office when I asked " infantry, what's that"?

There's no such thing as a dumb question my ass!!!

And I served during peace time...
 
braindrain said:
I think you might need to do a bit more research on just how Clinton avoided the draft. He used political connections as well as many other shady methods to avoid the draft.

Here is a good place to start.

FACT CHECK: Was Bill Clinton a 'Felonious Draft Dodger'?

I always find it funny when so many from the left attack Trump for avoiding the draft but think Clinton was such a great individual.

They are both pieces of crap.
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I agree, however at least Clinton was a good president...
 
GDViking said:
Well actually it is named after him, his Name was added to his father's and grandfathers...
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GDViking:

Hmm, you're right. I stand corrected. Thank you for setting me straight on that.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Fledermaus said:
Why "Not exactly"? Did he or did he not dodge?
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The question is far more open than just one sliver. Did Clinton attack true war heroes (and of his own party), did he boast he knows more than the generals??? Did he cast unfounded distain on a US Naval Ship (it wasn't commissioned with Senator McCain's name on it)

So be narrow minded in your question if you wish but the two men are not exactly the same... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
The question is far more open than just one sliver. Did Clinton attack true war heroes (and of his own party), did he boast he knows more than the generals??? Did he cast unfounded distain on a US Naval Ship (it wasn't commissioned with Senator McCain's name on it)

So be narrow minded in your question if you wish but the two men are not exactly the same... :peace
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Nothing narrow minded at all....

Is that a YES or a NO?

Glitch said:
Exactly like William Jefferson Clinton, who was after all the very first draft-dodging President.
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Is this not true?

notquiteright said:
Not exactly, Clinton didn't attack a fellow party member and bonifide war hero. He didn't disrespect a warship and it's crew because of a petty prideful feud... :peace
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The bolded does not have anything to do with whether or not William Jefferson Clinton was very first draft-dodging President.
 
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braindrain said:
I think you might need to do a bit more research on just how Clinton avoided the draft. He used political connections as well as many other shady methods to avoid the draft.

Here is a good place to start.

FACT CHECK: Was Bill Clinton a 'Felonious Draft Dodger'?

I always find it funny when so many from the left attack Trump for avoiding the draft but think Clinton was such a great individual.

They are both pieces of crap.
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I completely agree. Although, I am painfully reminded of when Carter pardoned all draft-dodgers in January 1977. I was on active duty at the time. One of his very first acts as President, that completely destroyed military morale for the remainder of his term as President. It would take Reagan to rebuild the military that Carter destroyed. Therefore, while I still consider all draft-dodgers to be total scum, including Clinton and Trump, neither of them can ever be charged for dodging the draft. So there is no felony involved any longer, not since 1977.
 
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Glitch said:
I completely agree. Although, I am painfully reminded of when Carter pardoned all draft-dodgers in January 1977. I was on active duty at the time. One of his very first acts as President, that completely destroyed military morale for the remainder of his term as President. It would take Reagan to rebuild the military that Carter destroyed. Therefore, while I still consider all draft-dodgers to be total scum, including Clinton and Trump, neither of them can ever be charged for dodging the draft. So there is no felony involved any longer, not since 1977.
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By all means, share with the board your stories of military service!
 
Fledermaus said:
Nothing narrow minded at all....Is that a YES or a NO? Is this not true? The bolded does not have anything to do with whether or not William Jefferson Clinton was very first draft-dodging President.
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First Clinton wasn't the first draft dodging President....

Second Clinton didn't have his daddy get a fake medical excuse

Third, Clinton at least had the class not to attack the heroes who served, the men who still serve, and confuse simple facts about ship christenings….

So yes, very narrow minded question.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
First Clinton wasn't the first draft dodging President....

Second Clinton didn't have his daddy get a fake medical excuse

Third, Clinton at least had the class not to attack the heroes who served, the men who still serve, and confuse simple facts about ship christenings….

So yes, very narrow minded question.... :peace
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Yea, Clinton showed a lot of "class," as well as his "utter contempt for the military" (to use is own words), when he used the military to pick up trash at the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games.
 
Glitch said:
You might want to explain in more detail how dodging the draft is somehow not dodging the draft if you are a Democrat. Anyone who skips out on the draft, regardless of their political party, is true scum. That goes for Clinton as well as Trump. The only joke here is your obvious partisanship.

Before you start casting aspersions on Republicans you should look to your own Democrats first. There is nothing more hypocritical than a Democrat. Let's not forget that Trump, until very recently, was a Democrat and was almost certainly a Democrat when he dodged the draft.
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Oh I think I get it. Now that he has bathed in the urine of Franklin Graham and eaten the feces of Falwell Jr and been anointed in the snake oil of Republican hypocrisy none of that matters anymore am I right?

See, that's the difference, we're smart enough that we never would have run that ass clown as a candidate, no way, no how.

You're one of the most partisan hacks on this board, so you have neither the right nor invitation to speak on partisanship, so take that word out yo mouth.
 
Glitch said:
Yea, Clinton showed a lot of "class," as well as his "utter contempt for the military" (to use is own words), when he used the military to pick up trash at the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games.
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Back up your post?

That’s how it works here......
 
Rexedgar said:
By all means, share with the board your stories of military service!
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There is nothing to share. My draft number was 96, but I volunteered before I received my draft notice. My parents sent me my draft notice while I was in boot camp. I served in the Marine Corps from 1972 until 1980. I was sent to Okinawa for 13 months in 1973, instead of Vietnam. Other than a few TDY visits to China Lake and Twenty-Nine Palms, I spent the rest of my time in 14 Area "Main Side" Camp Pendleton with the 7th Engineer Battalion, 1st Field Service Support Group, 1st Marine Division. I had a few different MOS', but I started with MOS 1391 "Bulkfuelman."
 
Glitch said:
Yea, Clinton showed a lot of "class," as well as his "utter contempt for the military" (to use is own words), when he used the military to pick up trash at the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games.
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Then you must have nothing but total disgust for the current occupant of the Oval Office...

FYI the Military has been doing 'police calls' for NATIONAL PRESTIGE events since JC was a two striper...

Try not to get 'em too bunched up with faux poutrage, Clinton wrote that as a PART of a letter saying one can love their country but loathe the military (not utter contempt for the military), not AS PRESIDENT or while RUNNING for President but as a very young man in 1969!!!!!! :doh

He never attacked a true war hero as some 'loser', nor did he ever besmirch a Gold Star family because they disagreed with him.

Nice try though... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Then you must have nothing but total disgust for the current occupant of the Oval Office...

FYI the Military has been doing 'police calls' for NATIONAL PRESTIGE events since JC was a two striper...

Try not to get 'em too bunched up with faux poutrage, Clinton wrote that as a PART of a letter saying one can love their country but loathe the military (not utter contempt for the military), not AS PRESIDENT or while RUNNING for President but as a very young man in 1969!!!!!! :doh

He never attacked a true war hero as some 'loser', nor did he ever besmirch a Gold Star family because they disagreed with him.

Nice try though... :peace
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Let's dig up some of the crap people like Glitch wrote at age twenty-four, or for that matter, Donald Trump.
But you know what? Why are we even feeding this troll-bait whataboutism tactic anyway.
Glitch cannot defend Donald Trump's complete and utter contempt for ANYONE outside his elite little circle of crooks, including the military.
So naturally, what does he do?

But but but but but Clinton...but but but but Obama...
Defend your asshole president, hypocrite...defend that chickenhawk. You voted for an out and out draft dodger, a Ted Nugent with a bad combover.

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And there ain't a damn thing you can do or say to justify your outright hypocrisy.
 
notquiteright said:
Then you must have nothing but total disgust for the current occupant of the Oval Office...
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I do indeed, as I stated in post #63. Both Clinton and Trump are completely equal in regard to both being draft-dodging scum.

notquiteright said:
FYI the Military has been doing 'police calls' for NATIONAL PRESTIGE events since JC was a two striper...
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The military was never used in that manner while I served on active duty. We policed our own area, not for civilians.

notquiteright said:
Try not to get 'em too bunched up with faux poutrage, Clinton wrote that as a PART of a letter saying one can love their country but loathe the military (not utter contempt for the military), not AS PRESIDENT or while RUNNING for President but as a very young man in 1969!!!!!! :doh

He never attacked a true war hero as some 'loser', nor did he ever besmirch a Gold Star family because they disagreed with him.

Nice try though... :peace
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Yet that is precisely what the mentally deranged left are doing to Trump. Holding him to what he said and did during the 1960s. If it is fair for one, then it is fair for the other.

If one commit crimes after the war they may still be a war hero, but they are still both a "loser" and complete scum. They don't get a free pass for the rest of their lives to commit whatever crimes they want to commit just because they were once a hero during a time of war. Timothy McVeigh received the Bronze Star during the Gulf War, yet I seriously doubt you will find any sane person classifying him as a "war hero."
 
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GDViking said:
Dumbest words I have ever spoken, were said in a recruiters office when I asked " infantry, what's that"?

There's no such thing as a dumb question my ass!!!

And I served during peace time...
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I told the recruiter I wanted to be a real soldier, shoot some guns. He goes, "well son, the infantry's for you!".
 
Tigerace117 said:
The guys on the PBR's would presumably have an issue or two with your designation of it as "safer" or "easier"
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They wouldn't have switched places with an infantryman.
 
Glitch said:
If one commit crimes after the war they may still be a war hero, but they are still both a "loser" and complete scum. They don't get a free pass for the rest of their lives to commit whatever crimes they want to commit just because they were once a hero during a time of war. Timothy McVeigh received the Bronze Star during the Gulf War, yet I seriously doubt you will find any sane person classifying him as a "war hero."
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You're comparing McCain and McVeigh?

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