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This is what happens when you put the wrong people in power to make this countries decisions

Tigerace117 said:
In 2001 Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, protected by the Taliban. Who had hundreds of tanks at that point in time.

Oh really? The Taliban weren’t going to give him up. The SEALS killed him after his protectors had been decimated and tossed out of power. I get that you are ignorant, but even for you....

Battle of Tora Bora - Wikipedia

Bin laden had at least 300 guys protecting him. 25 versus 300 plus.....not great odds. But hey, your ass wouldn’t be in any danger, so no big deal, right?
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The mission to find bin laden was run by the cia. To overthrow a country to get one man is ridiculous
 
jbander said:
What are you even talking about, hunting down bin Laden wasn't a war and it only took 25 people to find and kill him. Didn't need a army , and surely never needed a war over it,. You people are nuts.
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Do not believe the Legend of Abbottabad.

Osama died a natural death in late 2001 and was buried in accordance with muslim traditions.

News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral - December 2001 | CLG News

As Smedley Butler pointed out a century ago, most who serve in the US military actually serve corporate interests and empire. False flags and war brought under fraud is how the US operates these days.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Allowing a brutal dictatorship to annex a neighbor country would have set a horrific precedent and would have been used as a justification for wars of aggression across the globe. I get you don’t give a **** about the international order or anything but partisan hackery but even still....
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nonsense, boring, Hell we supported many dictatorships, usually military dictatorships without a conscience= INTERNATIONAL ORDER you must be joking. You people are so full of nuttery, your a hoot to read.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Do not believe the Legend of Abbottabad.

Osama died a natural death in late 2001 and was buried in accordance with muslim traditions.

News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral - December 2001 | CLG News

As Smedley Butler pointed out a century ago, most who serve in the US military actually serve corporate interests and empire. False flags and war brought under fraud is how the US operates these days.
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Bush and Cheney started a war for money and I'm talking about money in their pockets, Two companies that gained by this war just turns out to be Haliburtan(Cheney) Carlyle (bush the baby killer), FOLLOW THE MONEY. The Iraq war was 100% lie and these creeps new it. They murdered 5000 American heroes. You can always depend on the right wing to spread their hate and death.
 
vegas giants said:
The mission to find bin laden was run by the cia. To overthrow a country to get one man is ridiculous
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The right is big on guns, take over the world wars and wars built totally on lies. Wars for nothing other then the bottom lines of American corporations wealth building. You clowns that think it has anything at all to protect our borders , protect our way of life, protect our population, constitution , Or our flag your nuts.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Do not believe the Legend of Abbottabad.

Osama died a natural death in late 2001 and was buried in accordance with muslim traditions.

News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral - December 2001 | CLG News

As Smedley Butler pointed out a century ago, most who serve in the US military actually serve corporate interests and empire. False flags and war brought under fraud is how the US operates these days.
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Of course you think that. I am sure that an anyone who has read any of your rants would have expected you to fall for such nonsense. There isn't a Crack pot conspiracy you don't believe in.

None of which changes reality. Not that you have any grasp of that.
 
jbander said:
Bush and Cheney started a war for money and I'm talking about money in their pockets, Two companies that gained by this war just turns out to be Haliburtan(Cheney) Carlyle (bush the baby killer), FOLLOW THE MONEY. The Iraq war was 100% lie and these creeps new it. They murdered 5000 American heroes. You can always depend on the right wing to spread their hate and death.
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Still waiting on evidence of your claim that it only took 25 people to find and kill bin Laden. But we both know that that you simply pulled that number out of your ass and won't back it up.
 
joko104 said:
Wars are for power, wealth, land and defense. The real problem is we don't fight wars like we fought in WW2 and before. Somewhere along the way it was decided with can fight really nice, environmentally friendly, politically correct, limited warfare with tolerance of enemies that don't wear uniforms. Previously no concern was paid to niceness, the environment, correctness, or limitations on engagement.

Enemies without uniforms were not protected and were shot by a firing squad - quickly, if not summarily. Want to be treated like a POW, wear a uniform. Otherwise you are a coward hiding among and endangering women and children for which you should be summarily gunned down because of it.

American veterans are the best treated veterans in the world for actual fighting forces. Certainly there are problems and always will be. But being a veteran isn't a career and it doesn't make the government your lifelong caretaker (unless of wounds so great the person is totally disabled or requires constant hospitalization.) The risks of joining the military are known, as are the perks and benefits. If you don't like the deal, don't join. Yes, military service can destroy your life. Yes, military service can give you knowledge, skills, maturity and benefit you lifelong for the experiences of it.
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Wow great-justification for stupidity. Screw the veterans is not something that the left will support, only you from the hate group you call a party would join that bandwagon. The mentally disabled number from wars that are lies is immense and cowboys like you think they should be able to define whether they are disabled or not. You are a embarrassment to this country and stupid remarks that we have the best treated veterans in the world is just straight out stupid , It's simply a argument position that's a lie something people like you can't debate without.
 
jbander said:
Wow great-justification for stupidity. Screw the veterans is not something that the left will support, only you from the hate group you call a party would join that bandwagon. The mentally disabled number from wars that are lies is immense and cowboys like you think they should be able to define whether they are disabled or not. You are a embarrassment to this country and stupid remarks that we have the best treated veterans in the world is just straight out stupid , It's simply a argument position that's a lie something people like you can't debate without.
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Still waiting.
 
Tigerace117 said:
In 2001 Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, protected by the Taliban. Who had hundreds of tanks at that point in time.

Oh really? The Taliban weren’t going to give him up. The SEALS killed him after his protectors had been decimated and tossed out of power. I get that you are ignorant, but even for you....

Battle of Tora Bora - Wikipedia

Bin laden had at least 300 guys protecting him. 25 versus 300 plus.....not great odds. But hey, your ass wouldn’t be in any danger, so no big deal, right?
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You should read your own article , there were 200 people at Tora Bora and they had a grand total of 17 guns between them and Bin Laden spent one day their visiting this group. Your so full of bull**** , your eyes are brown.
 
jbander said:
You should read your own article , there were 200 people at Tora Bora and they had a grand total of 17 guns between them and Bin Laden spent one day their visiting this group. Your so full of bull**** , your eyes are brown.
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How unsurprising that you would believe the word of a terrorist despite all evidence proving the opposite. And all because it suits your warped view of the world.
You truly have zero integrity. Just like Trump. You two are two peas in a pod. No one you hate him so much. He reminds you of all your faults.

Pathetic.
 
jbander said:
You should read your own article , there were 200 people at Tora Bora and they had a grand total of 17 guns between them and Bin Laden spent one day their visiting this group. Your so full of bull**** , your eyes are brown.
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No, 200 fighters were killedat Tora Bora. There were a lot more than 200 there.

You aren’t real good at this “debate” thing bud. I’ll give you a hint—-throwing a tantrum because the facts don’t back you up does not work.
 
jbander said:
nonsense, boring, Hell we supported many dictatorships, usually military dictatorships without a conscience= INTERNATIONAL ORDER you must be joking. You people are so full of nuttery, your a hoot to read.
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Yes, I get that you think reality is “boring” and prefer to live in a delusional fantasy land.

Yes, I know that you aren’t bright enough to grasp idea of an international order and geopolitical agreements revolving borders.
 
vegas giants said:
The mission to find bin laden was run by the cia. To overthrow a country to get one man is ridiculous
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And he was protected by large numbers of Taliban fighters. The Taliban weren’t willing to give him up.

Sending two dozen guys up against a couple hundred fighters like jbanser suggested is actually ridiculous.
 
vegas giants said:
We let genocide go on in Africa and never lifted a finger
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Yep, because isolationists screamed bloody murder about US “meddling”.....just like they do today.

Can’t have it both ways bud.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yep, because isolationists screamed bloody murder about US “meddling”.....just like they do today.

Can’t have it both ways bud.
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Man you are dying to go to war...how many have you fought in?
 
Tigerace117 said:
And he was protected by large numbers of Taliban fighters. The Taliban weren’t willing to give him up.

Sending two dozen guys up against a couple hundred fighters like jbanser suggested is actually ridiculous.
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Wait him out and let the CIA do its job. Which we did anyway
 
jbander said:
The right is big on guns, take over the world wars and wars built totally on lies. Wars for nothing other then the bottom lines of American corporations wealth building. You clowns that think it has anything at all to protect our borders , protect our way of life, protect our population, constitution , Or our flag your nuts.
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Most of these that beat the drums of war loudly will never even get off the couch personally
 
bongsaway said:
If people who go into the service are our greatest americans, how come I see so many of them all over the place asking for money?
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Most of them are not veterans. They are homeless junkies that will say anything and hold a sign saying anything if they think it will get them money for their next fix.

For many years I assisted a non-profit center that helped homeless vets. I used to carry around their cards all the time, and even offered to drive the occasional "Homeless vets" I ran across. And you know, in over 3 years I gave out very few of them? Because after talking for only a few moments it became painfully obvious that most of them were fakes.

Oh, they are so damned easy to spot also. Most are something glamorous - like Infantry, or Sniper, or Ranger-SEAL. You almost never meet a homeless vet claiming to be a legal clerk, a cook, or a mechanic. Is almost always the combat arms every single time. Oh, and they either never seem to remember their MOS code, or it is a secret. Shhhhhhhhhh. The same with their unit. Had more than one tell me their unit was classified. Most of the time they just give a major unit, like 82nd, 1st Infantry, things like that. And funny, they almost never seem to actually belong to specific Regiments or Battalions. Although one bum I met a few weeks ago told me he was in "Charlie Company, 101st Airborne".

Uhhhhh, yea. Right. Charlie Company, 101st Airborne. And that is actually amazingly common. I have run across one guy who belonged to the "Zero Marine Infantry Regiment". One guy who was an engineer in the Navy ran the engine room on the USS Constitution. And when I looked at him funny, he said it was the "Newer Constitution", built as a cruiser in the 1960's.

In fact, every year the organization held a "Veteran's Stand-down" and tried to get help for homeless vets. This was from 2000-2003 that I was involved, almost nothing in the VA was computerized yet. So we would set up a huge area in a park with tents, clinics, washing machines, showers, barber, and a lot of donations. We would see on average around 2-3,000 on the first day, and everybody was processed through the VA before getting any services.

And then the next day we would start kicking them out. Yep, you guessed it. Most were fakes, they had never served in any way. A small handful were real vets, but had either Bad Conduct or Dishonorable Discharges, so we could not help them. Out of over 2,000 "veterans" we saw the first day, maybe 100 or so were left by the end. Those were the real veterans, all the others were fakes. And even then we might actually be able to help maybe a dozen or so. Most of the homeless vets have serious drug and alcohol issues, and we could not help them unless they had been clean and sober for over 30 days. We even had a quick admission program with the local VA center. They could check them in immediately into a 45 day inpatient program, and when that was done we would then take them immediately.

Guess how many actually took advantage of that? Maybe 2 or 3. They liked their drugs more than they liked being an actual member of society again.

And yea, I have been homeless. But I was never a bum, I never panhandled or stole, I worked my way out of it again. Those asking for money? I bet you 9 out of 10 never served. A lot of them try to hit on me, either thinking my being in would make me a softer touch. But the thing is, I want to help, and know resources that can help them if they are real. And often in less than 2 minutes they have given away that they are bull**** artists.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Yep, because isolationists screamed bloody murder about US “meddling”.....just like they do today.

Can’t have it both ways bud.
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Here is the thing. Most "Liberals" could really not care less about genocide. Or large numbers of dead people. They just shrug and blame it all on the US. Or CEOs, or some big company. In reality, they never seem to give a damn.

Over 15 years ago I tried to get people involved because of what was happening in Darfur. And you wanna know what I got? Well, I got called a racist a lot for starters. I was screamed at for wanting to meddle in things that did not concern me. Our local State Assembly representative refused to even meet me. And yea, she was a (D).

They largely ignored it in Somalia, they ignored it in former Yugoslavia. They also ignored it in Iran, and in Cambodia. They ignore it everywhere, unless they can exploit it somehow. Only when some large number of deaths will benefit them in some way will they ever really give a damn. Other than that, they will ignore it completely.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Oh, they are so damned easy to spot also. Most are something glamorous - like Infantry, or Sniper, or Ranger-SEAL. You almost never meet a homeless vet claiming to be a legal clerk, a cook, or a mechanic. Is almost always the combat arms every single time.
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:lol:

So true. I've never met a bum that claimed to be a remf.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Here is the thing. Most "Liberals" could really not care less about genocide. Or large numbers of dead people. They just shrug and blame it all on the US. Or CEOs, or some big company. In reality, they never seem to give a damn.

Over 15 years ago I tried to get people involved because of what was happening in Darfur. And you wanna know what I got? Well, I got called a racist a lot for starters. I was screamed at for wanting to meddle in things that did not concern me. Our local State Assembly representative refused to even meet me. And yea, she was a (D).

They largely ignored it in Somalia, they ignored it in former Yugoslavia. They also ignored it in Iran, and in Cambodia. They ignore it everywhere, unless they can exploit it somehow. Only when some large number of deaths will benefit them in some way will they ever really give a damn. Other than that, they will ignore it completely.
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But the gop wanted to go all those places???? Dont make me laugh
 
Oozlefinch said:
Most of them are not veterans. They are homeless junkies that will say anything and hold a sign saying anything if they think it will get them money for their next fix.

For many years I assisted a non-profit center that helped homeless vets. I used to carry around their cards all the time, and even offered to drive the occasional "Homeless vets" I ran across. And you know, in over 3 years I gave out very few of them? Because after talking for only a few moments it became painfully obvious that most of them were fakes.

Oh, they are so damned easy to spot also. Most are something glamorous - like Infantry, or Sniper, or Ranger-SEAL. You almost never meet a homeless vet claiming to be a legal clerk, a cook, or a mechanic. Is almost always the combat arms every single time. Oh, and they either never seem to remember their MOS code, or it is a secret. Shhhhhhhhhh. The same with their unit. Had more than one tell me their unit was classified. Most of the time they just give a major unit, like 82nd, 1st Infantry, things like that. And funny, they almost never seem to actually belong to specific Regiments or Battalions. Although one bum I met a few weeks ago told me he was in "Charlie Company, 101st Airborne".

Uhhhhh, yea. Right. Charlie Company, 101st Airborne. And that is actually amazingly common. I have run across one guy who belonged to the "Zero Marine Infantry Regiment". One guy who was an engineer in the Navy ran the engine room on the USS Constitution. And when I looked at him funny, he said it was the "Newer Constitution", built as a cruiser in the 1960's.

In fact, every year the organization held a "Veteran's Stand-down" and tried to get help for homeless vets. This was from 2000-2003 that I was involved, almost nothing in the VA was computerized yet. So we would set up a huge area in a park with tents, clinics, washing machines, showers, barber, and a lot of donations. We would see on average around 2-3,000 on the first day, and everybody was processed through the VA before getting any services.

And then the next day we would start kicking them out. Yep, you guessed it. Most were fakes, they had never served in any way. A small handful were real vets, but had either Bad Conduct or Dishonorable Discharges, so we could not help them. Out of over 2,000 "veterans" we saw the first day, maybe 100 or so were left by the end. Those were the real veterans, all the others were fakes. And even then we might actually be able to help maybe a dozen or so. Most of the homeless vets have serious drug and alcohol issues, and we could not help them unless they had been clean and sober for over 30 days. We even had a quick admission program with the local VA center. They could check them in immediately into a 45 day inpatient program, and when that was done we would then take them immediately.

Guess how many actually took advantage of that? Maybe 2 or 3. They liked their drugs more than they liked being an actual member of society again.

And yea, I have been homeless. But I was never a bum, I never panhandled or stole, I worked my way out of it again. Those asking for money? I bet you 9 out of 10 never served. A lot of them try to hit on me, either thinking my being in would make me a softer touch. But the thing is, I want to help, and know resources that can help them if they are real. And often in less than 2 minutes they have given away that they are bull**** artists.
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It is sad when you are trying to help folks and others see an opportunity to take advantage of that help and try to do so. However, it does not dismiss all the ads on television to help the vets or the people in front of stores collecting for vets or the letters in the mail asking for donations. Where is the leadership to take care of our vets?
 
vegas giants said:
Man you are dying to go to war...how many have you fought in?
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Going to war to stop genocide is a moral imperative. The US has a responsibility to stop such atrocities.

You are aware that your comment is a complete 180 from your last one..right? One second you are complaining about the US not stopping genocide in Africa, the next you start shrieking about how I’m “dying to go to war”.
 
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