West Point graduates the largest class ever of African-American women.

Oozlefinch said:

It does not bother me in the slightest. I simply see no reason for it.

Look, I really do not give a damn about the "past". Nothing we do now will "make up for" what happened then. I was not alive then, and I had no say in any of that which happened. All I do give a damn about is the here and now.

And yes, I would rather see a photo of many different groups together. Throw in the Hindi, the Sikh, the Asian and Mexican. The Armenian, the Arab, the Jew and African-American. Show men and women, all proud to serve together for our country, no matter where their ancestors (or even parents or themselves) came from.

Because when I see a Soldier or Marine, I only see one color. Green. The same with any Airman or Sailor. For Officers they are all Americans, that is all that should matter. I would much rather see what ties us all together, not what keeps some of us apart.

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No, but you have been the recipient of the system that kept others down who weren't white and Christian

AmNat said:

A thousand years from now, Chinese teachers will use this picture to explain how America fell.

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How so?

Marxistleninist said:

No, but you have been the recipient of the system that kept others down who weren't white and Christian

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Has he argued otherwise?

Oozlefinch said:

*shrugs*

All I see are Officers and Soldiers. I never see the point of things like this, to be honest.

What would people think if I posted a picture of only white men, with a statement it was the largest group of white men to graduate? Or Mexican-Americans? Or any other group?

I for one never cared for such demographic claims. We are all Americans, that is all that should ever matter.

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Clearly that photo proves Trump's racism beyond any doubt now.

Rogue Valley said:

Yes. But Americans can also recognize modern accomplishment arising from the dregs of American history.

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I am ok with that as well as long as one is capable of recognizing the history accurately and exactly who did what to whom....

The Racist History of the Democratic Party

" Most people are either a Democrat by design, or a Democrat by deception. That is either they were well aware the racist history of the Democrat Party and still chose to be Democrat, or they were deceived into thinking that the Democratic Party is a party that sincerely cared about Black people.

History reveals that every piece of racist legislation that was ever passed and every racist terrorist attack that was ever inflicted on African Americans, was initiated by the members of the Democratic Party. From the formation of the Democratic Party in 1792 to the Civil Rights movement of 1960's, Congressional records show the Democrat Party passed no specific laws to help Blacks, every law that they introduced into Congress was designed to hurt blacks in 1894 Repeal Act. The chronicles of history shows that during the past 160 years the Democratic Party legislated Jim Crows laws, Black Codes and a multitude of other laws at the state and federal level to deny African Americans their rights as citizens.

History reveals that the Republican Party was formed in 1854 to abolish slavery and challenge other racist legislative acts initiated by the Democratic Party.

Some called it the Civil War, others called it the War Between the States, but to the African Americans at that time, it was the War Between the Democrats and the Republicans over slavery. The Democrats gave their lives to expand it, Republican gave their lives to ban it.

During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was revealed that members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African Americans voters. The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by a Republican Congress to stop Klan Activities. Senate debates revealed that the Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party.

History reveals that Democrats lynched, burned, mutilated and murdered thousands of blacks and completely destroyed entire towns and communities occupied by middle class Blacks, including Rosewood, Florida, the Greenwood District in Tulsa Oklahoma, and Wilmington, North Carolina to name a few.

After the Civil War, Democrats murdered several hundred black elected officials (in the South) to regain control of the southern government. All of the elected officials up to 1935 were Republicans. As of 2004, the Democrat Party (the oldest political party in America) has never elected a black man to the United States Senate, the Republicans have elected three.

History reveals that it was Thaddeus Stevens, a Radical Republican that introduced legislation to give African Americans the so-called 40 acres and a mule and Democrats overwhelmingly voted against the bill. Today many white Democrats are opposed to paying African Americans trillions of dollars in Reparation Pay, money that should be paid by the Democratic Party.

History reveals that it was Abolitionists and Radical Republicans such as Henry L. Morehouse and General Oliver Howard that started many of the traditional Black colleges, while Democrats fought to keep them closed. Many of our traditional Black colleges are named after white Republicans.

Congressional records show it was Democrats that strongly opposed the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. These three Amendments were introduced by Republicans to abolish slavery, give citizenship to all African Americans born in the United States and, give Blacks the right to vote."

AmNat said:

A thousand years from now, Chinese teachers will use this picture to explain how America fell.

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These brief video clips are for the PRC Fanboyz and the PLA Camp Followers.


PLA unplanned demonstration of how not to toss a hand grenade


If the PLA knew a forward pass in the NFL they might do better than this broken play handoff




5 Chinese Military Fails | China Uncensored


To include stupid hand grenade tricks of course among other astounding feats






The Chinese historically and culturally have zero sense of humor. The reason is Chinese take everything literally.

Literally.


See you in a thousand years. Because the PLA is the Party's military arm. From the rank of colonel you must join the Party if you're not in it already. Read Mao and quote Xi Jinpingpong.

To get promoted to general or admiral it costs you an arm and a leg. You're in no danger of losing anything of course as the PLA has zero combat experience. Last time PLA fought was in 1979 when it invaded Vietnam at 26 points along the border and got kicked out in 27 dayze. By the militia -- Hanoi kept its regular divisions back to protect its major cities and they were never used.

And given the fact every grandiose Chinese dynasty fails I'll see you a hell of a lot sooner. You should start now to make plans. Our record number of lady grads of USMA are going to put those swords up where the Chinese sun don't shine.

This is more credit where credit is due and a further recognition of the historical racial disparity in the USA. These are black Americans who contributed to the successful WW II fight against fascism.

More power to these gals. We of the civilized world thank them for their service in the defense of the United States and of civilization itself against the particular fascism of their time. The great and proficient work of the six-triple eight is a reminder and an inspiration as loyal Americans in our contemporary diversity fight against the 21st century fascism that is attempting to permeate the USA and to gain control of it. Indeed present Republicans / Conservatives have become what we once fought against.


Groundbreaking World War II unit of black women honored decades after their service

May 26, 2019



Anna Mae Robertson finally received her World War II medals a few years ago. The Milwaukee woman served in the only all-female battalion deployed overseas and the first female African American battalion in the Army. (Photo: Meg Jones / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)


When Anna Mae Robertson and her fellow soldiers arrived in England early in 1945, millions of pieces of mail and parcels destined for homesick American troops gathered dust in postal bags piled high in warehouses. Knowing the importance to morale of letters and packages from home, commanders gave the difficult task of sorting through a months-long backlog of mail to the Women's Army Corps 6888 Central Postal Directory Battalion. The women devised a system, rolled up their sleeves and got to work.

"We worked in shifts around the clock. You had to find the right name and address," Robertson, 95, recalled in a recent interview at her Milwaukee home. "You just managed."


Soldiers in the Women's Army Corps 6888 Central Postal Directory Battalion sort mail in a warehouse in England. When the only all-female battalion to deploy overseas arrived in England it faced a two-year backlog of mail that was handled in three months. (Photo: U.S. Army Women's Museum)




When the Women's Army Corps 6888 Central Postal Directory Battalion arrived in England it discovered a two-year backlog of mail including these bags stacked high in a warehouse. (Photo: U.S. Army Women's Museum)


The six-month backlog was cleared in half the time. Since the Army was still segregated, they lived and ate in barracks apart from other American soldiers with battalion members assigned to handle their own motor pool and chow hall. "These are the stories that got stuck in the nooks and crannies of history. When people hear about this, their reaction is almost universally the same: 'Wow, I didn't know about that,'" said Theres.

Groundbreaking World War II unit of African American women honored

Fledermaus said:

How so?

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It serves as a good symbol of the sort of suicidal insanity that has taken over the country.

AmNat said:

It serves as a good symbol of the sort of suicidal insanity that has taken over the country.

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What insanity?

Female black officers?

Fledermaus said:

What insanity?

Female black officers?

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Putting women in combat is insanity, yes.

More broadly, this story is a perfect demonstration of the trend whereby the appearance of “progress” is valued over and above things that actually matter in the real world. I pity the historians if the future, they’ll have a difficult time explaining it.

AmNat said:

Putting women in combat is insanity, yes.

More broadly, this story is a perfect demonstration of the trend whereby the appearance of “progress” is valued over and above things that actually matter in the real world. I pity the historians if the future, they’ll have a difficult time explaining it.

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The Japanese, the Russians, the Israelis and practically everyone else disagree.

Tangmo said:

The AVF you're in is a chapter of the Republican Party.

Most of the AVF is that for sure and not much else.

It pays guys to join and throws money at 'em to reup. So AVF is also known as the Bonus Army.

Let us know when you guys win something other than the election of a Republican Party Potus.



Q. What is the AVF in Afghanistan?
A. Republicans in Trucks.

"Geez, sarge said the road was solid and secure for us to pass. Where is he now btw?"

"Don't worry, the loo-tenant is on her way."

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The opinion of a person who never severed on what goes on in the military means absolutely nothing to me.
And I doubt there are too many other people who served who give a rats ass what you think.

But let me guess. The military that wasn't all volunteer never got trucks stuck. It's funny that you don't even realize how pathetic your posts are.

I don't speak for any other men here, but I have learned there is nothing, and I mean nothing, more fearsome than an angry woman. Worse with a cast iron frying pan in her hands.

Get outa the house! Pronto!

Should we post all the pictures of WWI, WWII, Koran war or Vietnam personnel stuck in the mud.

Nah, that would run into the thousands.

braindrain said:

The opinion of a person who never severed on what goes on in the military means absolutely nothing to me.
And I doubt there are too many other people who served who give a rats ass what you think.

But let me guess. The military that wasn't all volunteer never got trucks stuck. It's funny that you don't even realize how pathetic your posts are.

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You AVF guys active duty and retired are rightwingers first and foremost.

You deny my honorable active duty voluntary military service for this reason and this reason only. It's been four years and there is nothing I can say or do that will stop or modify your rightwing first priorities that supersede the bond of military service. The bond of your being rightwingers prevails instead. My responses are therefore appropriate, justified, moral, and they are professionally motivated.

This is because I am dealing with political animals who consciously and willfully seek to dishonor the honorable active duty military service of myself while they subordinate their own lifer military service to their rightwing politics. Further, you guyz on the Right can't stand not controlling the Military Forum and its threads where lifer NCO active duty and retired can discuss monkey wrenches while you guyz struggle and get lost in matters of strategy, policy, decision making at the theater level, and in geopolitics. That's when you're not busy being Putin-Trump Rowers which is daily anyhow -- Making America Russia Instead.

All we get here from the AVF personnel both active duty and retired are rightwing views, values, beliefs, attitude and ideology. You guys are fierce in these matters across the forums and threads in virtually each and every topic and post. Hence your truly offensive denials against my honorable active duty voluntary military service -- denials that are entirely political and dishonorable.

Indeed and as we've seen for four years, you rightwing lifer NCO rightwingers will say anything that suits your rightwing politics and you will say it a thousand times in hundreds of manufactured ways. So I must needs be counter that, because there's no stopping it. Most strange of all you think you get to commit dishonorable offenses for free. It's that totally wrongheaded sense of entitlement and moral superiority at work here that only rightwingers have, dishonorable as they are.

Tangmo said:

You AVF guys active duty and retired are rightwingers first and foremost...

All we get here from the AVF personnel both active duty and retired are rightwing views, values, beliefs, attitude and ideology.

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Are you proposing compulsory service to get more left wingers in the military?

I'll note that in my unit, a bunch of guys in their early 20s couldn't care less about politics. Drinking and women took all of our free time.

Tangmo said:

You AVF guys active duty and retired are rightwingers first and foremost.

You deny my honorable active duty voluntary military service for this reason and this reason only. It's been four years and there is nothing I can say or do that will stop or modify your rightwing first priorities that supersede the bond of military service. The bond of your being rightwingers prevails instead. My responses are therefore appropriate, justified, moral, and they are professionally motivated.

This is because I am dealing with political animals who consciously and willfully seek to dishonor the honorable active duty military service of myself while they subordinate their own lifer military service to their rightwing politics. Further, you guyz on the Right can't stand not controlling the Military Forum and its threads where lifer NCO active duty and retired can discuss monkey wrenches while you guyz struggle and get lost in matters of strategy, policy, decision making at the theater level, and in geopolitics. That's when you're not busy being Putin-Trump Rowers which is daily anyhow -- Making America Russia Instead.

All we get here from the AVF personnel both active duty and retired are rightwing views, values, beliefs, attitude and ideology. You guys are fierce in these matters across the forums and threads in virtually each and every topic and post. Hence your truly offensive denials against my honorable active duty voluntary military service -- denials that are entirely political and dishonorable.

Indeed and as we've seen for four years, you rightwing lifer NCO rightwingers will say anything that suits your rightwing politics and you will say it a thousand times in hundreds of manufactured ways. So I must needs be counter that, because there's no stopping it. Most strange of all you think you get to commit dishonorable offenses for free. It's that totally wrongheaded sense of entitlement and moral superiority at work here that only rightwingers have, dishonorable as they are.

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Yes I am such a right winger that I support universal health care, legalizing drugs, full support of LGBT protections and rights, greatly increasing the minimum wage, and a whole host of other let positions. Your knowledge of me is about as nonexistent as you knowledge of the military.

No one doubts you served due to you being left wing. We don't you served due to your complete lack of knowledge of the military. Plain and simple

Tangmo said:

You AVF guys active duty and retired are rightwingers first and foremost.

You deny my honorable active duty voluntary military service for this reason and this reason only. It's been four years and there is nothing I can say or do that will stop or modify your rightwing first priorities that supersede the bond of military service. The bond of your being rightwingers prevails instead. My responses are therefore appropriate, justified, moral, and they are professionally motivated.

This is because I am dealing with political animals who consciously and willfully seek to dishonor the honorable active duty military service of myself while they subordinate their own lifer military service to their rightwing politics. Further, you guyz on the Right can't stand not controlling the Military Forum and its threads where lifer NCO active duty and retired can discuss monkey wrenches while you guyz struggle and get lost in matters of strategy, policy, decision making at the theater level, and in geopolitics. That's when you're not busy being Putin-Trump Rowers which is daily anyhow -- Making America Russia Instead.

All we get here from the AVF personnel both active duty and retired are rightwing views, values, beliefs, attitude and ideology. You guys are fierce in these matters across the forums and threads in virtually each and every topic and post. Hence your truly offensive denials against my honorable active duty voluntary military service -- denials that are entirely political and dishonorable.

Indeed and as we've seen for four years, you rightwing lifer NCO rightwingers will say anything that suits your rightwing politics and you will say it a thousand times in hundreds of manufactured ways. So I must needs be counter that, because there's no stopping it. Most strange of all you think you get to commit dishonorable offenses for free. It's that totally wrongheaded sense of entitlement and moral superiority at work here that only rightwingers have, dishonorable as they are.

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You own posts out you as a liar.

Live with it.

As the the rest of the post?

Same old Tangmobabble.

Blah blah blah rightwinger blah blah.....


Oh, just for fun.

What "dishonorable offenses" do you imagine the "rightwingers" have committed???

Lying about post WWII victories? That was you.

The role.of the AVF in the supposed loss in Vietnam. You.

Etc.

ecofarm said:

Are you proposing compulsory service to get more left wingers in the military?

I'll note that in my unit, a bunch of guys in their early 20s couldn't care less about politics. Drinking and women took all of our free time.

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I'm talking about career lifer NCO -- almost all of 'em rightwingers posting here retired -- while you're focused exclusively on twentysomething troops of the AVF who are for the most part still kids who are footloose and fancyfree.

The Army has a new recruiting program underway that focuses on Gen Z in 15 major cities. Army continues to recruit in its AVF belt -- the Carolinas into Texas -- where there are a lot of Republicans in trucks to get signed up for big bucks. Army has however found from experience and studies that Gen Z is motivated to be a part of something bigger than themselves. So the Army's new recruiting program is culling Gen Z in liberal cities such as Boston, Seattle, SFO, Austin, Denver and so on.

The Gen Z recruiting program is the brainchild of the outgoing Chief of Staff Gen. Mark A. Milley and the incoming CofS General James McConville who's been deputy CofS and is formerly chief of Army personnel. Each of 'em was born in Boston and grew up there. Milley is from Princeton Rotc and is the incoming chairman JCS while McConville is USMA with a background in Aviation to include command of 101st Airborne in which Milley had already been a brigade commander (air assault).

McConville's choice of new Command Sergeant Major of the Army is Michael A. Grinston whose six hour firefight in Iraq is legend. Grinston comes from US Army Forces Command Gen. Milley had commanded before becoming CofS. Grinston has a B.A. in business administration from University of Maryland.

The gap between Army chiefs and commanders and the mass of loser NCO has become wider than ever. Commanders will be closing it up over a reasonably fast period of time. It's long past due. Methinks Army chiefs and commanders want the AVF to win more than the presidency for the Republican Party only. It does seem to be the only thing AVF can win. We know the old saying NCO are the backbone of the Army and armed forces in USA. That's the AVF of course which has given new meaning to the old nick Bonus Army. AVF is rolling in bonuses -- always has been -- and everyone knows it.

braindrain said:

Yes I am such a right winger that I support universal health care, legalizing drugs, full support of LGBT protections and rights, greatly increasing the minimum wage, and a whole host of other let positions. Your knowledge of me is about as nonexistent as you knowledge of the military.

No one doubts you served due to you being left wing. We don't you served due to your complete lack of knowledge of the military. Plain and simple

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Your post is discharged dishonorably and dismissed.

Rightly so.

You're just another lifer NCO who seems to have a lot of downtime besides.

The thread and topic is the largest USMA class of African American women grads being commissioned. We can see by your lifer NCO posts however this is not an area of interest to you despite your claims of active duty status.

You rather display a bent shared by virtually every rightwing lifer nco retired who posts here. Lifer NCO who also dishonor their service by placing personal politics ahead of my honorable active duty voluntary military service. You're in with that mob that's predominantly rightwingers and also of the Putin-Trump kind. And you're in with both feet besides. They've always found a couple of house libruls here and there from time to time over the past four years yet it does not change the nature of the dishonorable deniers.

Tangmo said:

Your post is discharged dishonorably and dismissed.

Rightly so.

You're just another lifer NCO who seems to have a lot of downtime besides.

The thread and topic is the largest USMA class of African American women grads being commissioned. We can see by your lifer NCO posts however this is not an area of interest to you despite your claims of active duty status.

You rather display a bent shared by virtually every rightwing lifer nco retired who posts here. Lifer NCO who also dishonor their service by placing personal politics ahead of my honorable active duty voluntary military service. You're in with that mob that's predominantly rightwingers and also of the Putin-Trump kind. And you're in with both feet besides. They've always found a couple of house libruls here and there from time to time over the past four years yet it does not change the nature of the dishonorable deniers.

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There is nothing dishonest in my post. You just don't like people calling you out for your BS. Well to bad.

If there is anyone here who is dishonoring others service it's you with the constant attacks and insults to everyone who has served since the military became all volunteer. And no one can dishonor your service as you never served.
You are a joke and pretty much everyone here on this site knows it.

braindrain said:

There is nothing dishonest in my post. You just don't like people calling you out for your BS. Well to bad.

If there is anyone here who is dishonoring others service it's you with the constant attacks and insults to everyone who has served since the military became all volunteer. And no one can dishonor your service as you never served.
You are a joke and pretty much everyone here on this site knows it.

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NCO are the backbone of the Army.

So now we have the AVF and its NCO across all services.

It's a good thing though the backbone is attached to the brain, which is the officer corps.

It's clear you and the vast number of NCO across the armed services have no clue of the disrespect and contempt all of the officer corps have for the grease monkey NCO. I've broken all the unwritten rules by presenting it here. I've done this however only because of the dishonorable lifer NCO active duty and retired rightwingers who post here in their dishonorable political campaign to deny my honorable active duty voluntary military service. It's called karma in some places and you numbnuts are getting it here.

The black women 2LT record number of graduates of USMA are more than well aware of the challenges they are transitioning to. They have precedent and they are prepared. We indeed see the attitude here of the NCO active duty and retired against the recognition and respect the black officer and lady graduates of WP are receiving, in the MSM especially.

Given that the rightwing hates both the recognition and the MSM we can expect the black women 2LT to start their career with this knowledge and to be prepared to deal immediately and effectively with the rightwinger NCO on active duty they will encounter in their initial assignments and going forward. You yourself meanwhile will use your considerable downtime to carry on as you must given you're an AVF active duty NCO pursuing dishonorable pursuits.

I served during conscription and I'll relate this significant fact. The NCO during conscription knew his limitations and he respected officers accordingly. This included the retired NCO who went off to their veterans organizations to drink beer and tell stories of supposedly stupid second lieutenants and other fabricated idiot officers. Old time NCO active and retired did this as a habit and as a false conceit. The conceit of a fool.

AVF NCO are in contrast huge ego guys who are certain they are the brawn and the brains of the AVF armed forces, and that they are the be all and the end all. They believe they don't need officers or that officers should be seen and not heard. AVF NCO however who pride themselves as the backbone of the AVF armed force have yet to deliver the goods to the American people. As I've said and I reiterate, the only wins the NCO of the AVF have delivered to date is the election of Republican Party presidents. You people need to recognize this, accept it and to deal with it effectively. You need to restore a balance and a neutrality to the ranks of the armed forces that had always existed prior to the All Volunteer Force. Because all you guys are is Republicans in Trucks of the Big Bonus Army and Total Force.

Tangmo said:

NCO are the backbone of the Army.

So now we have the AVF and its NCO across all services.

It's a good thing though the backbone is attached to the brain, which is the officer corps.

It's clear you and the vast number of NCO across the armed services have no clue of the disrespect and contempt all of the officer corps have for the grease monkey NCO. I've broken all the unwritten rules by presenting it here. I've done this however only because of the dishonorable lifer NCO active duty and retired rightwingers who post here in their dishonorable political campaign to deny my honorable active duty voluntary military service. It's called karma in some places and you numbnuts are getting it here.

The black women 2LT record number of graduates of USMA are more than well aware of the challenges they are transitioning to. They have precedent and they are prepared. We indeed see the attitude here of the NCO active duty and retired against the recognition and respect the black officer and lady graduates of WP are receiving, in the MSM especially.

Given that the rightwing hates both the recognition and the MSM we can expect the black women 2LT to start their career with this knowledge and to be prepared to deal immediately and effectively with the rightwinger NCO on active duty they will encounter in their initial assignments and going forward. You yourself meanwhile will use your considerable downtime to carry on as you must given you're an AVF active duty NCO pursuing dishonorable pursuits.

I served during conscription and I'll relate this significant fact. The NCO during conscription knew his limitations and he respected officers accordingly. This included the retired NCO who went off to their veterans organizations to drink beer and tell stories of supposedly stupid second lieutenants and other fabricated idiot officers. Old time NCO active and retired did this as a habit and as a false conceit. The conceit of a fool.

AVF NCO are in contrast huge ego guys who are certain they are the brawn and the brains of the AVF armed forces, and that they are the be all and the end all. They believe they don't need officers or that officers should be seen and not heard. AVF NCO however who pride themselves as the backbone of the AVF armed force have yet to deliver the goods to the American people. As I've said and I reiterate, the only wins the NCO of the AVF have delivered to date is the election of Republican Party presidents. You people need to recognize this, accept it and to deal with it effectively. You need to restore a balance and a neutrality to the ranks of the armed forces that had always existed prior to the All Volunteer Force. Because all you guys are is Republicans in Trucks of the Big Bonus Army and Total Force.

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And more Cadet level Tangmobabble.

Your hatred for those who have served is noted.

No real officer would write as you do. No real officer would tell the lies you do.

As to "The NCO during conscription knew his limitations and he respected officers accordingly."? You have got to be ****ing ****ting me!

The Hard Truth About Fragging

Conscription was from 1940 when Germany defeated France and occupied it, to 1973 when the last draft order was issued. Believe it or nor the final drafted soldier to retire from active duty occurred in 2011.

Conscription occurred over several decades and was ended at the conclusion of the Vietnam War when the US armed forces had become discombobulated and were in a total disarray. So once again the NCO mentality is limited, incomplete and it misses the mark. And as per, the NCO says something simply to say something no matter how irrelevant and immaterial or skewed it is virtually each time and every time. It is also the case that the guys who holler most about shifting the goal posts are at their busiest when they themselves are trying to shift 'em.

Conscription over the several decades between 1940 to 1973 marked a time when NCO knew their limitations and yielded readily to their officers and the officer corps. Even during the Vietnam War NCO stateside were consistent in these respects.

It was in fact the officer corps that post Vietnam was commissioned by Congress to rebuild and reconstruct the decimated armed forces to include finding and developing NCO who could serve the nation rather than their ego. It was the Vietnam War officer corps that created the force that executed successfully Operation Desert Storm.

By 9/11 almost all of that officer corps had retired however or were on the cusp of retiring. Which left us with the NCO backbone of the armed forces. As we've seen since, the NCO post 9/11 are big ego prima donna who are convinced they are superior to the officer corps and to the civilian and military leadership of the Pentagon. And who view civilian society with disdain -- attacks against NFL players concerning flags, anthems and knees are a prime example of NCO wrongheaded patriotism they would impose on the society.

Post 9/11 far too many career lifer NCO who have the high and grandiose opinion of themselves dismiss Pentagon chiefs and theater commanders in favor of NCO solutions. They say generals / admirals are irrelevant paper pushers and immaterial to field operations. This is so despite the fact a tiny few of NCO are college educated while being on active duty. Nor do NCO attend much less complete the field officer programs of national security and war at armed forces institutions such as the Army War College, the Naval War College, the Air War College, and officer programs of education at the National Defense University, the Command and General Staff College and so on. (Field grade officers service equivalent = O-4, O-5, O-6.)

AVF NCO post 9/11 especially have assigned themselves a superior status, standing and authority that is a cause of great concern to the effectiveness of the armed forces and the viability of the chain of command. It is therefore necessary for these giant ego lifer career NCO to be reigned in, ie, for them to know their limited authority, role and level of operations in the armed forces.

Tangmo said:

NCO are the backbone of the Army.

So now we have the AVF and its NCO across all services.

It's a good thing though the backbone is attached to the brain, which is the officer corps.

It's clear you and the vast number of NCO across the armed services have no clue of the disrespect and contempt all of the officer corps have for the grease monkey NCO. I've broken all the unwritten rules by presenting it here. I've done this however only because of the dishonorable lifer NCO active duty and retired rightwingers who post here in their dishonorable political campaign to deny my honorable active duty voluntary military service. It's called karma in some places and you numbnuts are getting it here.

The black women 2LT record number of graduates of USMA are more than well aware of the challenges they are transitioning to. They have precedent and they are prepared. We indeed see the attitude here of the NCO active duty and retired against the recognition and respect the black officer and lady graduates of WP are receiving, in the MSM especially.

Given that the rightwing hates both the recognition and the MSM we can expect the black women 2LT to start their career with this knowledge and to be prepared to deal immediately and effectively with the rightwinger NCO on active duty they will encounter in their initial assignments and going forward. You yourself meanwhile will use your considerable downtime to carry on as you must given you're an AVF active duty NCO pursuing dishonorable pursuits.

I served during conscription and I'll relate this significant fact. The NCO during conscription knew his limitations and he respected officers accordingly. This included the retired NCO who went off to their veterans organizations to drink beer and tell stories of supposedly stupid second lieutenants and other fabricated idiot officers. Old time NCO active and retired did this as a habit and as a false conceit. The conceit of a fool.

AVF NCO are in contrast huge ego guys who are certain they are the brawn and the brains of the AVF armed forces, and that they are the be all and the end all. They believe they don't need officers or that officers should be seen and not heard. AVF NCO however who pride themselves as the backbone of the AVF armed force have yet to deliver the goods to the American people. As I've said and I reiterate, the only wins the NCO of the AVF have delivered to date is the election of Republican Party presidents. You people need to recognize this, accept it and to deal with it effectively. You need to restore a balance and a neutrality to the ranks of the armed forces that had always existed prior to the All Volunteer Force. Because all you guys are is Republicans in Trucks of the Big Bonus Army and Total Force.

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It's funny the more you post the more obvious you make it that you really don't have a clue about the US military.

You have zero clue what officers or NCOs thought back in conscription days and you have zero clue what they think now. You would actually have served in the military to have some idea which we all know you never did.

The only other people I have every seem that have this much hate for NCOs is the loosers who couldn't even make it through basic training and got kicked out. Now they blame their drill sergeants for all their problems because they simply can't accept just how pathetic they are.

Is that what happened to you tangmo. Did some mean NCO make fun of you and make you do push ups. Let me guess you broke down and started crying at some point.
The more I think about it I have little doubt that is actually your story. So you pretend to be am officer because you think that will get you some respect that you can't get in real life. So sad.

Oh well I guess you can always go post some more in your little cadet thread that no one cares about.