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joko104 · May 20, 2019

OldFatGuy said:
Even parents could do some spoiling. My dad would takes us hunting and fishing with him and his brothers, our cousins. Let us taste beer, hear dirty jokes we didn't understand, and all sorts of good stuff. Nothing like sharing an ice cream and a coke with dad, just the two of us. Or even better, a secret. Then again, playing catch with him, and letting me win at checkers. Perfect moments. Hearing mom say, "I made something special for you" when home sick and depressed with boredom, good spoiling.

One of the great moments of my life, dad took me, without my siblings to see John Wayne in the Alamo. We agreed those guys were stupid. Better to run, and fight another day. Three colonels and not a lick of sense. My dad said, "that's every officer." I said "You were an officer? He said "See what I mean?" I didn't, just got confused for a decade or so.

None of what you posted is spoiling a child.

MrWonka · May 20, 2019

joko104 said:
Clinton and Obama gave Putin 20% of our uranium and Crimea in exchange for $130 million laundered thru the Clinton foundation and $500,000 into Bill Clinton's personal pocket after a private meeting with Russian bankers - after Obama became "more flexible" after the election as he promised he would.

This isn't the crazy conspiracy theory sub-form. We're dealing in reality here pal.

OldFatGuy · May 21, 2019

joko104 said:
None of what you posted is spoiling a child.

I knew plenty of kids when I was one, whose parents never spoke to them other than to say no, made them eat before their parents, and stay in their bedrooms, out of sight. Spoiling is a question of perspective. It isn't merely a question of materialism, ever heard of a "Mama's boy?" My kids and grandkids have things, some earned, some gifted, some unexpected for all kinds of reasons. The key in my eyes is to teach them to thankful for those things, and respectful of them. I recently bought a quality mandolin for one of my granddaughters. She'd been playing a cheap hand me down from her brother, difficult to keep in tune, sounding like strings strung across an old cigar box. She's been practicing an hour to an hour and a half everyday, getting her homework and chores done, and the usual things 9 year old girls do, and she's an athlete. This was a used Gibson, sweet, with locking tuning pegs, quality sound, about $1,200. She didn't ask for it, but she's playing a minimum of two hours everyday, more on weekends. A day doesn't pass when her grandmother and I don't hear her thanks. She's had it two months, having cleaned it and given it a polishing twice. Some might call that gift spoiling. I say it is encouraging artistic expression. This world needs more singers and poets, always. She's downloaded every Allison Kraus recording in my collection, and is working on learning every song. She's earned my heart and keeps doing so when she sings. (off key at times, but still) Her brothers tease her about everything, but not mandolin playing and not her singing. Instead they accompany her on their instruments, and teach her licks. Her new love is Nickel Creek. Dad said he's contemplating an early death.

GreatNews2night · May 21, 2019

MrWonka said:
My parents for example grew up in a small mid-western town of 3000 people. All of them white and all of them Christian. They've probably never met a gay person in their life. They've never had a serious conversation with a Muslim or an Atheist. If a black person stopped at the gas station within minutes it would be front page gossip news. They have little or no knowledge whatsoever of other cultures yet they are 100% convinced that theirs is the best and all these other groups can't be trusted.

They believe that because they are older they are wise, but in reality they are very inexperienced. They don't understand much of the outside world at all and as a result they fear it. The idea of even driving on the freeway in a major city is terrifying to them.

They grew up in a time when there were only about 5 TV channels and maybe 6 national publications. In those days there news and information was filtered for them by responsible News Networks. They never went to college and never developed the critical thinking skills necessary to differentiate propaganda from legitimate news. They except whatever bull**** Fox News feeds them or whatever right wing crap they get in their email as the gods honest truth.

They were fooled into voting for Ronald Reagan and still haven't gotten the memo that Trickle Down Economics isn't a thing. They are convinced that welfare is for poor minorities despite the fact that they need it more than anybody. It took me three years to convince my mother to try Obamacare. I knew she would qualify for a subsidy that could save her thousands, but her ****ty right wing relatives convinced her that it was bad insurance, with death panels and that she was leeching off of everybody else.

My mom said she didn't like Donald Trump, but voted for him anyway because she's been convinced that liberals are all baby murderers. She has no idea that her own niece was raped and needed to have an abortion because her niece is afraid to tell anybody else in the family about it. Since Trump's election my mom's sister has stopped coming around because she doesn't want listen to the right wing nuts in her family ignorantly calling her daughter a murderer. My mother has no idea why she doesn't talk to her anymore.

Gee, you have terrible parents. No wonder you dislike so much the Baby Boomer generation, and no wonder you generalize against all of us in your first post here (even though, to pay lip service, in your second post you pretended to nuance it a bit more - but you're not fooling anybody). Yep, I'm a baby boomer, I'm white, I was born in a Christian family (although I'm personally an atheist) and I've NEVER voted for any Republican candidate for any national office, so, f ... off and stop blaming me for Trump.

Meanwhile, YOUR generation, not able to stomach the fact that your idol Bernie Sanders lost the Democratic primaries, had an expressive number of people who sat out the election or even joined Trump. So, before you throw stones at other people's glass houses, take a hard look at your own.

MrWonka · May 21, 2019

GreatNews2night said:
I'm a baby boomer, I'm white, I was born in a Christian family (although I'm personally an atheist) and I've NEVER voted for any Republican candidate for any national office, so, f ... off and stop blaming me for Trump.

Please. Don't waste my time with this ****. You know damn well I'm not blaming every single solitary boomer for this problem, but it is very clear that the majority of your generation is to blame. This entire thread was created by someone bashing millennial for not appreciating what older generations did for them. Well millennial didn't elect these disgusting leaders. Spare me the generalization police nonsense and get your squad together.

GreatNews2night said:
Meanwhile, YOUR generation, not able to stomach the fact that your idol Bernie Sanders lost the Democratic primaries

Oh, look at you generalizing. Guess who has two thumbs and didn't vote for Bernie in the Primaries...? :thumbs: This Guy :thumbs:

joko104 · May 21, 2019

MrWonka said:
Please. Don't waste my time with this ****. You know damn well I'm not blaming every single solitary boomer for this problem, but it is very clear that the majority of your generation is to blame. This entire thread was created by someone bashing millennial for not appreciating what older generations did for them. Well millennial didn't elect these disgusting leaders. Spare me the generalization police nonsense and get your squad together.

Oh, look at you generalizing. Guess who has two thumbs and didn't vote for Bernie in the Primaries...? :thumbs: This Guy :thumbs:

The Democrats elected in the House Of Representatives in 2018 are truly disgusting as you said.

Oozlefinch · May 21, 2019

MrWonka said:
Wow!!!!! Go read a history book buddy. The Jews were absolutely migrants. Not all of them, but many of them were coming to Europe at the time to escape persecution in the middle east. Laws were absolutely passed specifically criminalizing much of their day to day lives.

Oh My God!

Yea, this only confirms my initial impression that you were full of coprolite and should be largely ignored. This only confirms it.

No, they were not "migrants". In fact, the vast majority of them had lived there for well over a thousand years.

Hell, you have to look no further than a language that everybody should be familiar with, and that is Yiddish. This is a merging of Hebrew with the native Germanic languages, and evolved in around 900 CE. And the people who brought it in were the Ashkenazi Jews, a group that started to migrate to the area in around 210 CE when Emperor Caligula started persecuting them.

In fact, let me throw out at you an amazing word. "Ghetto". The word itself seems to have come from the Yiddish word for "Divorce". And the first record of such a ghetto under that name for Jews is from Venice, Italy. And the Venetian Ghetto was founded in 1516. Well over 400 years before even WWII started. And most major cities in Europe had a Ghetto. They were essentially "Jewish Enclaves" in a larger city. An area that had it's own mayor, city council, and laws. Inside of a ghetto, Jewish Law, Jewish Courts, and Jewish Administration controlled the area and the people that lived there, not the laws of the city-nation they were inside.

Hell, even Shakespeare wrote about this Ghetto in 1600! Shylock, the Jewish moneylender from "The Merchant of Venice" lived in the Jewish Ghetto.

Migrants indeed! I bet Der Paper Hangar would be proud of you for believing that load of coprolite.

Yea, I find most of your posts so far just as horrible in facts and full of untruths, but this one really takes the cake!

GreatNews2night · May 21, 2019

MrWonka said:
Please. Don't waste my time with this ****. You know damn well I'm not blaming every single solitary boomer for this problem, but it is very clear that the majority of your generation is to blame. This entire thread was created by someone bashing millennial for not appreciating what older generations did for them. Well millennial didn't elect these disgusting leaders. Spare me the generalization police nonsense and get your squad together.

Oh, look at you generalizing. Guess who has two thumbs and didn't vote for Bernie in the Primaries...? :thumbs: This Guy :thumbs:

OK, good. I didn't vote for Trump, you didn't vote for Bernie. I'm not the worst Baby Boomer, and you're not the worst Millennial. So, cool. Peace, brother.

joko104 · May 21, 2019

GreatNews2night said:
OK, good. I didn't vote for Trump, you didn't vote for Bernie. I'm not the worst Baby Boomer, and you're not the worst Millennial. So, cool. Peace, brother.

No, their claim is that all baby boomers are evil and need to die. The Democratic Party is quite clear about this. They've never said some baby boomers should die, but all.