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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Trump at least was in the military academy.Foreign born Obama wasn't even in the Cub Scouts

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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by gulfman View Post
    Trump at least was in the military academy.Foreign born Obama wasn't even in the Cub Scouts
    Yeah.... after his remarks about Senator McCain's service, his blowing off of the Armistice ceremony, and his treatment of Gen. Mattis, he's got less than zero credibility with me where it comes to matters of national security.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by liedttoagain View Post
    And although Iran would lose a war with the U.S. They wont be a pushover like Iraq. Iran has modern weapons that are just as good as ours, so you will see a big American body count here.

    Equipment of the Iranian Army - Wikipedia

    So you Trump supporters keep listening to these lying cowards, and they may send you kids home in a cardboard box.
    Equipment of Iran is as good as the US? Have you even looked at that list?

    Most of that is literally Vietnam era equipment. The most modern is largely post-Vietnam, dating to the time that President Carter cut them off. It is almost a joke what they have.

    And their newest "tanks" are literally just upgraded that have been put onto M48 and M60 chassis that we sold them 40 years ago. Their artillery is all over the board, using 11 different calibers of guns across 2 completely different manufacturing designs (Soviet and NATO).

    Their most common aircraft (60 of each) are literally the F-4 Phantom II and the F-5 Tiger II. Their most common helicopter is the Bell 205, with 68. That is literally the UH-1 Iroquois.

    Their most common air defense missiles are literally self-made 1950's era Soviet Designs (and also their self-made 1950's US designed ones).

    If you think this is going to be a bloodbath, remember that it is also the nation that battled it out with Iraq for almost a decade, and was stalemated against them. The same Iraq that was at the height of it's power, and we ran over them in 3 days in 1990.

    And yea, I take the claims of mass bodies with a grain of salt the size of Pike's Peak. I heard the exact same thing in 1990-1991. And good for you for having served in Vietnam (I am serious, that is not me being snarky). But the military and equipment has changed drastically since then in the US. Yet ironically, the equipment of Iran has largely stagnated. It quite literally is the kind of equipment we sold to them during that time period, and the same equipment that the Soviets were making.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    If you think this is going to be a bloodbath, remember that it is also the nation that battled it out with Iraq for almost a decade, and was stalemated against them. The same Iraq that was at the height of it's power, and we ran over them in 3 days in 1990.
    You really have no idea about the nature of the Iran-Iraq War, do you?
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by liedttoagain View Post
    Donald Trump, and John Bolton, are your typical republican chicken hawks.... lots of squawking and a yellow streak down their backs bigger then their lying mouths. And just like Bush Jr. they would lie to get us in a war with someone. Trump and John Bolton are loud mouthed cowards who skipped the Vietnam war when their country asked them to serve.

    The republicans are the ones who armed Iran. Eisenhower gave them a 5-kilowatt nuclear reactor, capable of making weapons grade platinum with his Atoms for Peace Program, and now they cry Iran is building an atomic bomb!

    Ronald Reagan committed treason, and sold them weapons after congress told him no, (The Iran Contra scandal), and right now neither Saudi Arabia, or the United Arab Emirates, the two countries where most of the terrorists came from in the 1993 bombing, and 9/11 attack on the WTC came from are on Trumps no fly list, and the reason they are not on the no fly list, is because they do business with Trump.

    So for those who don't get what a bunch of cowards the republican leadership is; here's a list of those who served, and ran away during the Vietnam War, and see how many of the runaways are running their mouth and talking tough about Iran now.

    Who served?

    Nobody in the Trump family has served in the military in the past 100-years, and if they get us in a war, they won't serve in this one either.

    And although Iran would lose a war with the U.S. They wont be a pushover like Iraq. Iran has modern weapons that are just as good as ours, so you will see a big American body count here.

    Equipment of the Iranian Army - Wikipedia

    So you Trump supporters keep listening to these lying cowards, and they may send you kids home in a cardboard box.

    I've been in 3 armed conflicts for this country, and I've had 26 operations in the bast 50 years because of Vietnam. I was lied to in all 3 of them. I, actually believed in this God, Country and Moms Apple pie BS, until I found out that those who get us into this crap, don't serve themselves, and neither do their kids, but they will have no problems getting your kids killed for their politics.
    Oh really? Iran's equipment is as good as the US?

    Let's see......BMPs, BTRs, an untested main battle tank based on the T-72 and M60, T-72s, knockoff variations of various American or British equipment......not buying it. Iraq had similar equipment and they wound up getting crushed.

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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerace117 View Post
    Oh really? Iran's equipment is as good as the US?

    Let's see......BMPs, BTRs, an untested main battle tank based on the T-72 and M60, T-72s, knockoff variations of various American or British equipment......not buying it. Iraq had similar equipment and they wound up getting crushed.
    Their most common APCs are the BTR, circa 1960. Then the Boragh, a backwards-engineered BMP (circa 1970). Then the remaining M113 (circa 1960) that the US sold them in the early 1970's. The rest are a mish-mash of either equipment they have acquired from a slew of other countries, or backwards-engineered from ones they have acquired.

    The same with their tanks. The M48/M60 (circa 1960), and locally made copies and upgrades. The T-72 (circa 1973) or locally made copies. And the Mobarez, a locally made upgrade to the Chieftan Mark 5, circa 1973. Their newest tank is the Karrar, a domestically built M60 copy with a body that appears closer to the T-90.

    One thing many have been watching is that their inventory of older tanks is decreasing before the newest models are produced. This has led most to believe that these are not really "new tanks". They are simply new hulls placed onto older chassis and power plants. For all the new tank construction they have been claiming to do, their inventory is still largely the same as it was in 1993.

    And their main armaments supplier (North Korea) is now largely out of that business because of UN sanctions. And countries like China and Russia have become increasingly reluctant to sell them anything newer than mid Cold War vintage, because of their predication to buying only a small number then reverse-engineering them and making them themselves.

    And also the fact that they do not even bother to buy the original equipment in the first place. The 100 or so copies of the BM-21 MLRS are all copies of equipment they acquired from Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War. The Soviets-Russia have seen absolutely nothing from those copies (along with many other systems they acquired similarly). China has also largely cut them off, because of their basically stealing the C-704 anti-ship missile design and simply making their own copy (Nasr-1).

    And of course their doing the exact same thing with the Nasr, a land attack ballistic missile based on the Chinese Weishi. This is believed to have been based on plans they got from North Korea, and is even mounted on a Chinese made TEL (believed to have been acquired from Pakistan). And even that is one of the newest parts of their military material, based on the 1980's era BM-30 SMERCH from the Soviet Union. A system even the Russians are retiring from service.

    I would like to know exactly what equipment they use that does not date to the very early 1990's that is not simply a domestic copy that appears modern but is in fact built into an older piece of equipment. Even their S-300 missile systems (they have 16 of them) are the older mid-1980's upgrade that the Russians sell for export. And the fact that Russia had not even finished sending them their order and they were showing off their own copies (Bavar 373) means that Russia is unlikely to sell them any more advanced systems.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by liedttoagain View Post
    And although Iran would lose a war with the U.S. They wont be a pushover like Iraq. Iran has modern weapons that are just as good as ours, so you will see a big American body count here.

    Equipment of the Iranian Army - Wikipedia
    Iran would be a bloodbath, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the equipment of the Iranian Army. It would be the vast array of paramilitary forces that have been preparing to fight a US invasion since 1979 and the plethora of information they have from studying counter insurgency tactics in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    “We were all of us cogs in a great machine which sometimes rolled forward, nobody knew where, sometimes backwards, nobody knew why.”

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