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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    Or perhaps.... Riyadh?

    Iran has made many, many powerful enemies over the years.
    When you find yourself in agreement with Thoreau about anything but especially something being a false flag you really need to do some reassessments of your decision making abilities.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    Iran is a Russian client state.
    No, they are not.

    Just because countries have close trading agreements and buy weapons from each other does not mean they are a client state.

    Client states do not typically tell the controlling state to go "piss on a rope". Which is something that Iran has absolutely no problem doing to the Russians.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's unlikely that Iran would attack a Saudi boat. Doing so would be very foolish and likely to result in problems for Iran.
    Oh yea. Because everybody knows that Iran has never attacked Saudi shipping. Or the shipping of other nations in the gulf.

    Nope, never happened.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    This attack on those vessels smells like a false flag to me, likely engineered in Washington or Tel Aviv.
    So does practically everything else.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    So does practically everything else.
    To the Conspiracy Theorists, everything is a conspiracy. And amazing how often Israel is assigned the blame. It is almost as if there is some kind of Pavlovian reaction there. "Something happened, it must be the fault of Israel."

    And Israel doing it simply makes no sense. They have worked hard for decades to forge their "alliance" with Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Trying to blame this on Israel would be like NAZI Germany staging an attack on Italy in order to blame Poland.

    The very nature of "false flag" attacks is that the nations target their own assets, not those of an ally. And this is not the first time that limpet mines have been used in this area of the world. The Houthis in Yemen have staged very similar attacks on Saudi ships in the past, and they are allied with Iran.

    From what it seems, the ships targeted were all at anchor, just a little ways off shore from the UAE.

    This appears at this time to be the work of operatives with somewhat more than normal training. Probably slipping in at night via electric inflatables and attaching the mines at night in the most vulnerable locations.



    This is the damage on the Norwegian flagged Andre Victoria. The damage is from the outside pointing in, showing that the damage was done from the outside. And it is at the water line, so likely not a conventional sea mine. It also lacks the penetration and is to low to be a missile attack. Which is why most experts are suspecting a 5kg limpet mine.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    One must wonder: If Saudi oil production was not interrupted, why did oil prices rise sharply?
    Oil speculation bubble.

    Whenever tensions in that area of the world increase, speculators jump on and drive the price up in the hopes of making a quick buck. It rarely has anything to do with the actual supply or price of oil (or any other commodity).
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What was true at one time in history, does not mean it was true at a later point in history

    Iraq did have Chemical weapons, then it got rid of them. At the time of the US invasion in 2002, Iraq did not have a WMD program, nor the vast stockpiles we were promised they had
    Funny, because when Iraq joined the UN WMD convention in 2009, they turned over 2 bunkers full of chemical weapons, precursors, and 5 previously undisclosed WMD facilities.

    And even WikiLeaks and the WMD have proven that almost 5,000 munitions have been located between 2003 and 2009 throughout the country. Towards the end of his reign Saddam was ordering most of his military capabilities hidden in the hopes they could be used after the US moved in. For months and years afterwards everything from crates of weapons, artillery, WMDs, missiles, even tanks and aircraft have been found buried in the sand all over the country.

    I always find it fascinating that people will often jump up and down about "WikiLeaks" being right in almost everything they do, but absolutely refusing to accept anything they have published about WMD discoveries.

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    To me, this becomes a telling point when trying to discuss this issue. Either you accept WikiLeaks, or you do not. You can not simply pick and choose what things you like, then turn right around and ignore anything you do not like.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    To the Conspiracy Theorists, everything is a conspiracy. And amazing how often Israel is assigned the blame. It is almost as if there is some kind of Pavlovian reaction there. "Something happened, it must be the fault of Israel."

    And Israel doing it simply makes no sense. They have worked hard for decades to forge their "alliance" with Saudi Arabia and the UAE. Trying to blame this on Israel would be like NAZI Germany staging an attack on Italy in order to blame Poland.

    The very nature of "false flag" attacks is that the nations target their own assets, not those of an ally. And this is not the first time that limpet mines have been used in this area of the world. The Houthis in Yemen have staged very similar attacks on Saudi ships in the past, and they are allied with Iran.

    From what it seems, the ships targeted were all at anchor, just a little ways off shore from the UAE.

    This appears at this time to be the work of operatives with somewhat more than normal training. Probably slipping in at night via electric inflatables and attaching the mines at night in the most vulnerable locations.



    This is the damage on the Norwegian flagged Andre Victoria. The damage is from the outside pointing in, showing that the damage was done from the outside. And it is at the water line, so likely not a conventional sea mine. It also lacks the penetration and is to low to be a missile attack. Which is why most experts are suspecting a 5kg limpet mine.
    I agree that it was probably a limpet, but I'm pretty sure it was done by the Saudis themselves. They're the only ones who stand to gain by ratcheting up tensions.
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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Neither Saudi Arabia nor the United Arab Emirates attribute blame for the apparent sabotage. They (as of now) have produced no photographs. A Norwegian oil tanker, the MT Andrea Victory, suffered a blow almost at the waterline on the aft hull. Could have been a floating mine, an IED, or a planted limpet mine. (rammed?) The ship is not leaking oil and is in no danger of sinking.
    Saw a picture of the damaged Norwegian tanker. Some damage on the aft hull right about at the waterline. Above the rudder and screw(s). Nothing major. A ballast tank is located in the stern so no oil can leak and the ship is in no danger of sinking. It seems like someone planted a small explosive in this location for specific reasons... minimal ship damage and far away from the bridge. If I had to guess, I would say a false flag operation designed to generate headlines but also to not hurt anyone.


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    Re: Trump to Iran They're not going to be happy.

    Donald Trump, and John Bolton, are your typical republican chicken hawks.... lots of squawking and a yellow streak down their backs bigger then their lying mouths. And just like Bush Jr. they would lie to get us in a war with someone. Trump and John Bolton are loud mouthed cowards who skipped the Vietnam war when their country asked them to serve.

    The republicans are the ones who armed Iran. Eisenhower gave them a 5-kilowatt nuclear reactor, capable of making weapons grade platinum with his Atoms for Peace Program, and now they cry Iran is building an atomic bomb!

    Ronald Reagan committed treason, and sold them weapons after congress told him no, (The Iran Contra scandal), and right now neither Saudi Arabia, or the United Arab Emirates, the two countries where most of the terrorists came from in the 1993 bombing, and 9/11 attack on the WTC came from are on Trumps no fly list, and the reason they are not on the no fly list, is because they do business with Trump.

    So for those who don't get what a bunch of cowards the republican leadership is; here's a list of those who served, and ran away during the Vietnam War, and see how many of the runaways are running their mouth and talking tough about Iran now.

    Who served?

    Nobody in the Trump family has served in the military in the past 100-years, and if they get us in a war, they won't serve in this one either.

    And although Iran would lose a war with the U.S. They wont be a pushover like Iraq. Iran has modern weapons that are just as good as ours, so you will see a big American body count here.

    Equipment of the Iranian Army - Wikipedia

    So you Trump supporters keep listening to these lying cowards, and they may send you kids home in a cardboard box.

    I've been in 3 armed conflicts for this country, and I've had 26 operations in the bast 50 years because of Vietnam. I was lied to in all 3 of them. I, actually believed in this God, Country and Moms Apple pie BS, until I found out that those who get us into this crap, don't serve themselves, and neither do their kids, but they will have no problems getting your kids killed for their politics.

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