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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Germany was not more advanced. German weapons design was inconsistent and often times very poor. It's surface warships were based on outdated concepts, most the Wehrmacht relied on horses for transportation. The whole idea of the German Army being a radically high tech force that just got crushed by overwhelming numbers is a stupid meme.
    Germany designed what was used as the base design for the mig 15, the f-86 sabre, and both nations space programs, as well as used portable nightvision before anyone else, yes they were advanced, to deny that would require being ignorant of history, their fault was formaliing their tech into a winning strategy which they did not do, much of their advanced tech came in too late and in too small a numbers to compete with practical mass produced designs.
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    This is incorrect, the a-10 was designed as a replacement to the underarmed and outdated a-1 skyraider which still performed quite well in veitnam despite being a modded ww2 fighter. The airforce needed cas replacements as discovered the f-4, f-5 and f-111 and f104 all performed horribly at the job and realized fighter aircraft did not meet the role and sought to develope a dedicated cas role. The a-7 was originally going to fill that role but costs doubled over original estimates and instead they sought a cheaper replacement.


    The a-10 ended up being the replacement for the veteran a-1 skyraider. At the time of the a-10 developement fights across europe were not what they focused on, but rather the extreme need for cas roles in vietnam, and the a-1 being outdated for the role yet performing it as all other aircraft tried performed horrible.
    You literally just ignored the entire point of my post to argue a completely different one.[/QUOTE]

    You argued it was designed to wipe out soviet armored columns, however nothing in it;s design seems to mention such, and rather it is simply good at that, the a-10 was designed for cas which has existed in wide use since ww2 and the a-10 was built to replace the a-1 which was the primary cas in vietnam with every jet fighter tried failing badly, the military went with a ground up design to make a cheap cas jet capable of high loiter times slow and low flight and a heavy payload. The a-10 was never designed to compete with russian tank columns as cas predates that threat and the a-10 was designed to replace older cas, which is a role even to this day that is used.
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    No, it doesn't.

    Stealth is not some magical on or off status that either works or doesn't work. Your assumption that since S band worked in the 1950s when the concept of stealth aircraft came down to flying low or flying at night, that it'll therefore work wonders against modern stealth aircraft is asinine. S band isn't good enough for a solid weapons lock.
    To make this statement you literally must have made zero effort to research stealth, stealth in modern aircraft like the f-22 f-35 and su-57 focus on x band and the very upper spectrum of s band, anything below the very upper spectum of s band is usable to detect track and target modern stealth jets.

    Older jets were far less vulnerable but used a delta wing design to do so, and their stealth made the jets so unmaneuverable they needed computers to control the aircraft due to the fact aerodynamic and stealth literally are not compatible.


    Do you actually research anything you say or do you simply spout out things without thinking?
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    And the B90 was a 90s era, so they worked on a couple in the 70s took a break in the 80s while the Soviet union collapsed and then started up again in the 90s and you think they didn't work on stealth on and off again since the 60s. Please


    No the US claims the second F22 was in trail of the SU35. But in the end it makes little difference what each side claims add with actually knowing the full details it doesn't really mean much.

    You may have never straight up assist that everything Russia is the greatest but your posting history makes your love affair with them quite obvious. And of you were right about the USAF being delusional then it's not just the US it's pretty much every other major military to include Russia which has already been pointed out to you. And I think most people would agree that the person who thinks they know more then the majority of the world's experts despite having no education or background in the topic is probably the delusional one.

    It's funny you claiming others are the ones not doing research but yet you have been proven wrong over and over again in this thread. Like your claim that other countries are not developing stealth only buying it or you claim that Russia hasn't been developing stealth on and of again since the 60s. All demonstrably true.

    So perhaps you must want to do a bit more research and branch out from Russian propaganda sites.
    The us may claim but likely that is a lie, unless they were already in the vicinity. Aircraft lack rear facing radar except a tiny few early model su-27 and su-34 in which russian stripped those out because they were too underpowered to be any use. The most likely scenario is neither of the assisting aircraft saw eachother, as aircraft are limited on radar, especially rear facing radar and still vulnerable to side facing radar.


    Other countries have not unless you count china russia the us and iran, and russia built them with export in mind. Russia literally considered stealth to be garbage in the 1960's, even the us govt had access to their papers but never aquired them until the 1980's. Did you even not realize the father of stealth was russian from the soviet union, and that america used his open research for their stealth projects? I have researched plenty, it seems you and jed ran full retard into the thread not researching much of anything, even the simplest of research says counter to both of your claims, if you can not even bother to research basics of what you are arguing, you are not worth my time, come back when you can actually take the time to research stealth principles before opening your mouth.
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    To make this statement you literally must have made zero effort to research stealth, stealth in modern aircraft like the f-22 f-35 and su-57 focus on x band and the very upper spectrum of s band, anything below the very upper spectum of s band is usable to detect track and target modern stealth jets.
    You realize the lower band you go, the less resolution, right? That's why L band is useless for targeting.
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

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    You argued it was designed to wipe out soviet armored columns, however nothing in it;s design seems to mention such, and rather it is simply good at that, the a-10 was designed for cas which has existed in wide use since ww2 and the a-10 was built to replace the a-1 which was the primary cas in vietnam with every jet fighter tried failing badly, the military went with a ground up design to make a cheap cas jet capable of high loiter times slow and low flight and a heavy payload. The a-10 was never designed to compete with russian tank columns as cas predates that threat and the a-10 was designed to replace older cas, which is a role even to this day that is used.
    The point of that whole post was why people want to retire the A-10, not the origin of it. Pay attention next time.
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    Germany designed what was used as the base design for the mig 15, the f-86 sabre, and both nations space programs, as well as used portable nightvision before anyone else, yes they were advanced, to deny that would require being ignorant of history, their fault was formaliing their tech into a winning strategy which they did not do, much of their advanced tech came in too late and in too small a numbers to compete with practical mass produced designs.
    Who built the atom bomb? What about proximity fuses? Or radar? Or SONAR? Give me a break.
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    Re: U.S. blocks Turkey's F-35 equipment over S-400 deal with Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    The us may claim but likely that is a lie, unless they were already in the vicinity. Aircraft lack rear facing radar except a tiny few early model su-27 and su-34 in which russian stripped those out because they were too underpowered to be any use. The most likely scenario is neither of the assisting aircraft saw eachother, as aircraft are limited on radar, especially rear facing radar and still vulnerable to side facing radar.


    Other countries have not unless you count china russia the us and iran, and russia built them with export in mind. Russia literally considered stealth to be garbage in the 1960's, even the us govt had access to their papers but never aquired them until the 1980's. Did you even not realize the father of stealth was russian from the soviet union, and that america used his open research for their stealth projects? I have researched plenty, it seems you and jed ran full retard into the thread not researching much of anything, even the simplest of research says counter to both of your claims, if you can not even bother to research basics of what you are arguing, you are not worth my time, come back when you can actually take the time to research stealth principles before opening your mouth.
    Of course you would think the US is the one lying and believe Russia. How unsurprising.
    You do realize that modern fighters don't just rely on their own radars. There is thing called AWACS.

    You really should do some research. There are quite a few contrite working on stealth Aircraft. That you would continue to deny this removes any credibility you may have had. Sweden, South Korea, Great Britain, Germany, France, as well as Russia China and India all have ongoing stealth aircraft programs. You really should do a little more research.

    Yeah the Russians thought stealth was so much garbage that they worked on stealth A/C in the 60s, 70s, 90s, the 2000s and several in the works as we speak.
    And no the only ones being shown to not know what they are talking about is you.

    Maybe you should stop getting all your information from Russian state propaganda sites.

    Countries don't spend billions of dollars designing something they think is garbage.
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