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Marine commandant says deploying troops to border poses 'unacceptable risk' to readiness

US Northern Command AOR includes Mexico which is where our southern land border is.


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Aren't you the guy who used to know something? Methinks not.

El salvador honduras and guatemala, where the caravans are coming from that sparked the whole thing are part of southcom not northcom, you are arguing the the command over the desitination countries is relevant but take no input over the command conducting intel over the origin countries.
 
The blame lands on the Democrats. If there can not be a physical barrier at the border then there has to be a human force barrier.

Ummm only in the minds of some on the rabid right.... more reasonable folks think a wall in the desert does little to impede the flow of drugs or violent criminals into the USofA- that would be at formal ports of entry.... :peace
 
You might need a geography lesson, mongolia is bordered all the way around by either china or russia, so yes the us would need permission to fly through there unless by do not need permission you mean willing to fight nuclear war and ww3, in which case they would be absolutely insane.

They are allied with the us, japan russia and even china, but russia is their oldest ally and currently their strongest since the us stopped investing heavily into the nation. The location gives the us no real advantage as moving in troops and supplying them to halt any agression would require fighting the second and third most powerful armies on earth. To top that off mongolia is such a lightly populated country with a tiny military that has zero threat to either china or russia expansion.

Having troops in mongolia was such a dumb decision from the getgo and at best it looks more like a decision made when we deemed russia friendly post soviet union as a land mass to counter china, however it is now not the case nor has been for quite a while.


Well corporal you put everything about Mongolia into your post except this from my post that you quoted but didn't actually recognize or respond to....


NATO announced that the nation had become the 45th country to contribute troops for the North Atlantic military bloc’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The 44th nation to be formally dragooned into NATO’s first ground and first Asian war was Montenegro, the world’s newest (universally recognized) state.

“The landlocked nation has previously operated artillery training teams in Afghanistan and sent troops to serve with the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq,” and in the course of doing so “Mongolia’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has helped cement its alliance with the United States and secure grants and aid.” [4]

U.S. Marines were deployed to the capital of Mongolia, Ulan Bator (Ulaanbaatar), “for the first time in the history of the Marine Corps, Aug. 18, 2003 in support of Khaan Quest ’03.”

The live-fire military exercise, which has been held every year since, is named after Genghis Khan. The announced purpose of the training exercises, run by the Pentagon’s Pacific Command, has been to upgrade Mongolian soldiers to United Nations peacekeeping standards
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Mongolia: Pentagon Trojan Horse Wedged Between China And Russia | Antiwar literary and philosophical selections



The above is the kind of mileage US and Nato are getting from the formal relationship with Mongolia, but not only.

The US and Nato in Mongolia is pretty much like each of Russia and China becoming partnered with and sending troops to Quebec. I salute the Pentagon and Brussels for the astute work of each and together concerning Mongolia, Russia, China, NK. So corporal I speak of course from the perspective that USA are the good guys. Say hello to Putin for me btw.
 
The military is often critical of the POTUS. Obama's approval rating was only 36%.
The Obama era is over. Here's how the military rates his legacy

As someone who served in Vietnam, I can tell you I did not like having my butt stuck in a meat grinder. I would have been the first to volunteer for Mexican Border duty. I would much rather see our military building a wall in Arizona than dying in Syria.
 
El salvador honduras and guatemala, where the caravans are coming from that sparked the whole thing are part of southcom not northcom, you are arguing the the command over the desitination countries is relevant but take no input over the command conducting intel over the origin countries.


Northern Command -- USNORTHCOM -- has the land border with Mexico. It says so on the map. Corporal.

Southern Command -- USSOUTHCOM -- has south of Mexico:

INTEGRATED AND COMPREHENSIVE DEFENSE

Homeland Defense Requires Seamless Geographic and Functional Integration


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Corporal.

You need to care about the national defense and sovereignty more than you care about me. You need to refocus corporal.
 
Well corporal you put everything about Mongolia into your post except this from my post that you quoted but didn't actually recognize or respond to....


NATO announced that the nation had become the 45th country to contribute troops for the North Atlantic military bloc’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The 44th nation to be formally dragooned into NATO’s first ground and first Asian war was Montenegro, the world’s newest (universally recognized) state.

“The landlocked nation has previously operated artillery training teams in Afghanistan and sent troops to serve with the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq,” and in the course of doing so “Mongolia’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has helped cement its alliance with the United States and secure grants and aid.” [4]

U.S. Marines were deployed to the capital of Mongolia, Ulan Bator (Ulaanbaatar), “for the first time in the history of the Marine Corps, Aug. 18, 2003 in support of Khaan Quest ’03.”

The live-fire military exercise, which has been held every year since, is named after Genghis Khan. The announced purpose of the training exercises, run by the Pentagon’s Pacific Command, has been to upgrade Mongolian soldiers to United Nations peacekeeping standards
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Mongolia: Pentagon Trojan Horse Wedged Between China And Russia | Antiwar literary and philosophical selections



The above is the kind of mileage US and Nato are getting from the formal relationship with Mongolia, but not only.

The US and Nato in Mongolia is pretty much like each of Russia and China becoming partnered with and sending troops to Quebec. I salute the Pentagon and Brussels for the astute work of each and together concerning Mongolia, Russia, China, NK. So corporal I speak of course from the perspective that USA are the good guys. Say hello to Putin for me btw.

What mileage are they getting, they literally would need to go to nuclear war to access them if russia and china chose to do so, and mongolia in recent years has ran back to being a near russian puppet state because americans stopped putting money there.

And this corporal crap, you know full well I never was a corporal yet you keep using it as an insult showing your own hate for the military and it's rank structure.
 
Northern Command -- USNORTHCOM -- has the land border with Mexico. It says so on the map. Corporal.

Southern Command -- USSOUTHCOM -- has south of Mexico:

INTEGRATED AND COMPREHENSIVE DEFENSE

Homeland Defense Requires Seamless Geographic and Functional Integration


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Corporal.

You need to care about the national defense and sovereignty more than you care about me. You need to refocus corporal.

The entire thing about the border centered around el salvador hondurad and guatemala immigrants which are all in southcom command areas of intel, northcom in no way has structure to conduct such intel and relies on southcom, northcom only knows what occurs in mexico north and what is told to them by southcom.

Ofcourse you use corporal again as an insult showing your own disdain for the military by trying to use a rank I have never had as an insult since your own arguments never hold any water.
 
Let me help you with that thx.

One general in a thousand speaks up for Trump. For instance, of the 80+ retired generals and admirals of 1-4 star rank who endorse Trump in 2016 all but a few have gone silent. I can count on one hand those of 'em that speak up somewhat for Trump some times. Haven't heard any of 'em on this issue however. You?

JCS torpedo'd the Trump Jong Un parade when Pentagon came in with a budget of almost $100 million. That was after JCS got Trump Jong Un to accept changing the date he'd wanted, to November 11 from July 4th so it would be a somber affair rather than a celebration of Cadet Bone Spurs becoming CinC and dumping on POWs while ignoring MIAs.

AF Gen. Hyten commander of the nuclear arsenal said publicly he'd have to tell Trump any order to launch would need to be discussed with the general to seek out alternatives. This was during Trump's "Fire and Fury" dayze. Gen. Hyten is the former commander of Air Force Space Command who told Trump we don't need a new and separate 6th force, U.S. Space Command. The general said the thought was good though, if untimely...and costly plus impractical.

AF Gen. Hayden formerly chief of CIA and NSA said in retirement killing terrorists families would be a war crime. Gen. O'Shaughnessy of US Northern Command whose 5th Army troops are at the southern border said shooting civilians possessing or throwing rocks as Trump was babbling about would be a violation of the laws of war and of the United States (war declared or undeclared).

Admiral McRaven the Special Ops commander who assembled and oversaw the bin Laden kill said in retirement Trump's statements against the media are "the greatest threat to freedom of the press in my lifetime."

Retired Gen. McCaffrey of Desert Storm destruction said in retirement, "For some unknown reason, I regret to say President Trump seems to be under the sway of Mr. Putin." And that "President Trump is a danger to the national security."

Gen. Thomas the Special Ops commander at the time said the "government is in an unbelievable turmoil" and that as a commander of troops in the field he "hopes it gets straightened out soon."

There's a lot more of 'em and it if you want it all. Just ask. Another flash in the pan post would be ok too. No problem.

With every swaggering military man giving his unique opinion it is nice to know that in America Trump is commander in chief and his decisions 'trump' all the rest combined.
 
With every swaggering military man giving his unique opinion it is nice to know that in America Trump is commander in chief and his decisions 'trump' all the rest combined.

No man is above the Constitution as a reading of the armed forces oaths shows clearly.

Which is what Washington made clear when he successfully proposed the oath at the Constitutional Convention over which he presided. The armed forces chiefs and commanders are the backstop of the Constitution against the possibility of a tyrant leader, which is how Washington wanted it. And which is how it is presently.
 
Whoever gave the memos to the press should be identified. Anyone and everyone involved in the disclosure should be prosecuted for divulging national security secrets and locked up in solitary confinement in a Super Max prison prohibited from talking to anyone so they release no more national security secrets. Divulging secret memos of military vulnerabilities is an extremely serious leaking of national security secrets.

Espionage during time of war (war on terror) is a death penalty crime.

That’s unreasonable, but life without parole should do the trick
 
What mileage are they getting, they literally would need to go to nuclear war to access them if russia and china chose to do so, and mongolia in recent years has ran back to being a near russian puppet state because americans stopped putting money there.

And this corporal crap, you know full well I never was a corporal yet you keep using it as an insult showing your own hate for the military and it's rank structure.


Let's you and I try this again plse thx....


NATO announced that the nation had become the 45th country to contribute troops for the North Atlantic military bloc’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The 44th nation to be formally dragooned into NATO’s first ground and first Asian war was Montenegro, the world’s newest (universally recognized) state.

“The landlocked nation has previously operated artillery training teams in Afghanistan and sent troops to serve with the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq,” and in the course of doing so “Mongolia’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has helped cement its alliance with the United States and secure grants and aid.” [4]

U.S. Marines were deployed to the capital of Mongolia, Ulan Bator (Ulaanbaatar), “for the first time in the history of the Marine Corps, Aug. 18, 2003 in support of Khaan Quest ’03.”

The live-fire military exercise, which has been held every year since, is named after Genghis Khan. The announced purpose of the training exercises, run by the Pentagon’s Pacific Command, has been to upgrade Mongolian soldiers to United Nations peacekeeping standards
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Mongolia: Pentagon Trojan Horse Wedged Between China And Russia | Antiwar literary and philosophical selections


I'll continue posting it until you get it corporal or until I declare you to be a hopeless box of rocks.




Mongolia: Potential Mediator between the Koreas and Proponent of Peace in Northeast Asia

Mongolia’s pursuit of the “third neighbor” policy allows the country to develop cooperative relations with the United States, Western Europe, ASEAN nations and others partly as “an air pocket” from its economic and security reliance on Beijing and Moscow. The softer side of this diplomatic push has been demonstrated by Ulaanbaatar’s membership in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and its previous chairmanship of the Community on Democracies.”[3]

Western experts on Mongolia applaud the way the country has developed a unique “peacekeeping niche” that facilitates participation in UN peacekeeping activities, international anti-terrorism measures, and humanitarian actions. For its small population of about three million, Mongolia takes on a heavy load of peacekeeping activities, ranking 26th on the UN’s list of contributing nations.[4]

Since 2003, Mongolia annually hosts the “Khaan Quest” peacekeeping exercises for the purpose of tactical advancement and capacity building for its Mongolian Armed Forces (MAF) and for the improvement of regional confidence building. Although the United States and NATO play prominent roles, the Quest has attracted more diverse participants over the years so that by 2012, the number of interested parties expanded to include representatives from China and India as well as an array of developing nations such as Vietnam and Cambodia. These exercises are acknowledged as gatherings devoted to strengthening international cooperation and interoperability on peacekeeping initiatives around the world.
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Mongolia: Potential Mediator between the Koreas and Proponent of Peace in Northeast Asia


You are the only one who thinks the US or Nato or anyone over here would try to use Monglolia as a base of operations in a conflict engaging Russia, China, North Korea. That's one major reason why I assign to you the lifetime rank of corporal strategist.
 
The entire thing about the border centered around el salvador hondurad and guatemala immigrants which are all in southcom command areas of intel, northcom in no way has structure to conduct such intel and relies on southcom, northcom only knows what occurs in mexico north and what is told to them by southcom.

Ofcourse you use corporal again as an insult showing your own disdain for the military by trying to use a rank I have never had as an insult since your own arguments never hold any water.


Putin must pay well but never mind about it because I reiterate yet again to you Corporal Stable-Genius....


Northern Command -- USNORTHCOM -- has the land border with Mexico. It says so on the map.

Southern Command -- USSOUTHCOM -- has south of Mexico:

The two commands have their integrated and comprehensive defense area of responsibility and functions.

The two commands operate on the predicate that homeland defense requires seamless geographic and functional integration.

See in trolling, er, scrolling.
 
Espionage during time of war (war on terror) is a death penalty crime.

That’s unreasonable, but life without parole should do the trick

Methinks the retired Lt.-Gen. Flynn will get off easily with only about six months by all reports. He's got a hanging judge however who has used the word "treason" so who knows.
 
We even got 'em speaking English in Mongolia and so the Mongol soldiers who are part of our forces and Nato forces in Afghanistan can communicate effectively, formally and informally....


Mongolian Force Protection With ISAF
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Members of the Mongolian Armed Forces show their professionalism while providing 24 hour force protection at Kabul International Airport. Air Force Tech. Sgt. Shane Cronin takes us behind the scenes of their day to day duties.

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Putin must pay well but never mind about it because I reiterate yet again to you Corporal Stable-Genius....


Northern Command -- USNORTHCOM -- has the land border with Mexico. It says so on the map.

Southern Command -- USSOUTHCOM -- has south of Mexico:

The two commands have their integrated and comprehensive defense area of responsibility and functions.

The two commands operate on the predicate that homeland defense requires seamless geographic and functional integration.

See in trolling, er, scrolling.

Still insulting those who actually served...

Way to go Cadet Tangmo.
 
Whoever gave the memos to the press should be identified. Anyone and everyone involved in the disclosure should be prosecuted for divulging national security secrets and locked up in solitary confinement in a Super Max prison prohibited from talking to anyone so they release no more national security secrets. Divulging secret memos of military vulnerabilities is an extremely serious leaking of national security secrets.

Is Hillary's email server still running?
 
The blame lands on the Democrats. If there can not be a physical barrier at the border then there has to be a human force barrier.

It is fascinating to watch democrats become interventionist neocons so quickly.

To be fair snakes do change their skins from time to time.
 
Methinks the retired Lt.-Gen. Flynn will get off easily with only about six months by all reports. He's got a hanging judge however who has used the word "treason" so who knows.

Maybe you could hook him up with Smollett's prosecution.
 
Hello Question Man. Welcome to the Military Forum which you don't frequent much.

Gen. Neller is commandant USMC and as such he is a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. JCS are the chief uniformed advisors to Potus/CinC, which means they can argue with him. Gen. Neller sent his memos to the SecDef and he has testified to the Armed Services Committees of the Congress which appointed him to his rank and confirmed his position as CMC.

As for USMC, Gen. Neller has pointed out he needs bucks desperately for maintenance, spare parts, repairs, housing, allowances, upgrades and much more.


It's practically unanimous btw....


No Military Threat on Southern US Border, Says NORTHCOM Commander

But the head of Northern Command says barriers have “some ramifications” for national security.

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Air Force General Terrence O'Shaughnessy inspects military camp at the southern border, Nov. 7, 2018. Gen. O'Shaughnessy is commander, North American Air Defense Command and chief of US Northern Command to include the 5th Army in defense of the continental USA.


There is no military threat on the U.S. border with Mexico, the general in charge of defending the United States from foreign attacks told lawmakers Tuesday.

The comments by Air Force Gen. Terrence O’Shaughnessy come as more than 5,000 military troops are deployed to in support of federal law enforcement along the border. O’Shaughnessy leads U.S. Northern Command, the arm of the Pentagon created after Sept. 11, 2001, to defend the United States.

“It is not a military threat,” O’Shaughnessy told the Senate Armed Services Committee when asked about civilians crossing the border by Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., the panel’s ranking member.

The general instead pointed to “very real” military threats from Russia and China.

O’Shaughnessy’s testimony is the latest example of a general officer, who is supposed to remain apolitical, having to answer for controversial Trump administration policies. Earlier this month, Gen. Joseph Votel, head of U.S. Central Command, said he was not consulted about withdrawing U.S. forces from Syria.


No Military Threat on Southern US Border, Says NORTHCOM Commander - Defense One


Congress votes generals and admirals into their rank and Congress votes to pay 'em. Potus/CinC has to sign off on it and that's it -- its an offer he can't refuse. The Senate votes to appoint generals and admirals to head each armed service and the major theater and combatant commands. Generals and admirals are called before congress regularly to report and to answer questions without prejudice. It's checks and balances, coequal branches of government, balance of powers. It's congress overseeing the armed forces and who's running 'em. The what, the why, the where and the how.

Who's calling it a military threat? It's been called a humanitarian threat; something which the military tries to help with quite often.
 
Maybe you could hook him up with Smollett's prosecution.

I'm pleased Flynn got hooked a good one into having a hanging judge. The luck of the Ir, er, draw. Conspiring with Russians brings decades of bad luck at the federal pen at Ft. Leavenworth which is in of all forsaken places, Kansas.
 
Who's calling it a military threat? It's been called a humanitarian threat; something which the military tries to help with quite often.

Odd understanding of humanitarian "threat" over there. In Trumpland Potus/CinC wanted the Army to shoot unarmed civilians and that was before they could reach the barbed wire Soldiers laid hundreds of miles of.

The humanitarian crisis is the Trump administration taking children from their parents and throwing 'em in a cage. And treating asylum seekers as if they were members of the Democratic party that you were finally having your way with.

The generals have made clear from the outset there isn't any military threat at the southern border. What's happened instead is the humanitarian disaster imposed by the Trump presidency boosted by his machine gun Fanboys.
 
Let's you and I try this again plse thx....


NATO announced that the nation had become the 45th country to contribute troops for the North Atlantic military bloc’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The 44th nation to be formally dragooned into NATO’s first ground and first Asian war was Montenegro, the world’s newest (universally recognized) state.

“The landlocked nation has previously operated artillery training teams in Afghanistan and sent troops to serve with the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq,” and in the course of doing so “Mongolia’s involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan has helped cement its alliance with the United States and secure grants and aid.” [4]

U.S. Marines were deployed to the capital of Mongolia, Ulan Bator (Ulaanbaatar), “for the first time in the history of the Marine Corps, Aug. 18, 2003 in support of Khaan Quest ’03.”

The live-fire military exercise, which has been held every year since, is named after Genghis Khan. The announced purpose of the training exercises, run by the Pentagon’s Pacific Command, has been to upgrade Mongolian soldiers to United Nations peacekeeping standards
.

Mongolia: Pentagon Trojan Horse Wedged Between China And Russia | Antiwar literary and philosophical selections


I'll continue posting it until you get it corporal or until I declare you to be a hopeless box of rocks.




Mongolia: Potential Mediator between the Koreas and Proponent of Peace in Northeast Asia

Mongolia’s pursuit of the “third neighbor” policy allows the country to develop cooperative relations with the United States, Western Europe, ASEAN nations and others partly as “an air pocket” from its economic and security reliance on Beijing and Moscow. The softer side of this diplomatic push has been demonstrated by Ulaanbaatar’s membership in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe and its previous chairmanship of the Community on Democracies.”[3]

Western experts on Mongolia applaud the way the country has developed a unique “peacekeeping niche” that facilitates participation in UN peacekeeping activities, international anti-terrorism measures, and humanitarian actions. For its small population of about three million, Mongolia takes on a heavy load of peacekeeping activities, ranking 26th on the UN’s list of contributing nations.[4]

Since 2003, Mongolia annually hosts the “Khaan Quest” peacekeeping exercises for the purpose of tactical advancement and capacity building for its Mongolian Armed Forces (MAF) and for the improvement of regional confidence building. Although the United States and NATO play prominent roles, the Quest has attracted more diverse participants over the years so that by 2012, the number of interested parties expanded to include representatives from China and India as well as an array of developing nations such as Vietnam and Cambodia. These exercises are acknowledged as gatherings devoted to strengthening international cooperation and interoperability on peacekeeping initiatives around the world.
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Mongolia: Potential Mediator between the Koreas and Proponent of Peace in Northeast Asia


You are the only one who thinks the US or Nato or anyone over here would try to use Monglolia as a base of operations in a conflict engaging Russia, China, North Korea. That's one major reason why I assign to you the lifetime rank of corporal strategist.

44 nations in isaf, man such a big number, too bad militarily there is zero reasonable interest to have marines there, and there never will be unless we can convert one of it's only two neighbors into a friendly nation.

You bring up mediations, yes mongolia is good at that, they hold the third neighbor policy even though they have only two neighbors and they also adhere to the non alignment movement like india. But to re iterate there is no strategic interest in mongolia, there is nothing defensible there, and no real gain to be had with marines being there, it likely was hitting the chopping block long before trump declared a national emergency.
 
Putin must pay well but never mind about it because I reiterate yet again to you Corporal Stable-Genius....


Northern Command -- USNORTHCOM -- has the land border with Mexico. It says so on the map.

Southern Command -- USSOUTHCOM -- has south of Mexico:

The two commands have their integrated and comprehensive defense area of responsibility and functions.

The two commands operate on the predicate that homeland defense requires seamless geographic and functional integration.

See in trolling, er, scrolling.

The threats coming from the border besides mexican cartels are all originating in countries under southcoms juristiction, that puts them in a position to chime in on the matter. The last deployment to the border came from homeland security request, so that makes me question whether northcom and southcom comunicate much at all, or if the general you keep quoting is politically grandstanding and ignoring us intel that says otherwise.
 
You might need a geography lesson, mongolia is bordered all the way around by either china or russia, so yes the us would need permission to fly through there unless by do not need permission you mean willing to fight nuclear war and ww3, in which case they would be absolutely insane.

I expect Mongolia controls a corridor to international access as a matter of treaty.
 
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